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[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's such a cry baby he actually made and ran the most pixel successful guild in the history of any emu.

You know, rather than cry about rules, spawn times etc.

I would WAGER that Zeelot prefers effort and organization to complaining about things in almost every situation.

I'd rather that Internode / Froovy (or future players who commit egregious crimes) can *never* make a new account and play here again.

I see it too many times that a banned player just rerolls and gets brought up by all his friends, or offered an account to take over.

I definitely see this as preference to banning 86 accounts. Especially shared portbots. PERMA BANS for offenders and a list of such players, on BOTH SERVERS, who if identified after their initial ban, will be immediately banned again along with the suspension of guild officers who knowingly invited them (harder to prove). This hits way harder and does much more for the community than wiping out people who were around someone duping shit/using MQ/whatever unknowingly. Getting banned from blue should not be a ticket to go accept a pixel package on red either, and repeat crimes (worse they can amass wealth and trade it 3:1 to blue... been there and done that as Samrothstein and saw around a million pp/in items move). Scum never changes, ban it and don't let scum reroll on either server.

What I *DO* agree on is a progloned suspension for an account with more than 50 or so logins as long as items were not constantly traded through/between those accounts. Characters who consistently traded, around the time of the duping to present, in these items/plat found to be duplicated should suffer the same fate as those banned. That is to say permanently banned and on a watch list to immediately ban them if they are found rerolling characters again on either server.

The raid suspension might also be a good thing for a week or two. While I doubt everyone was in on it or many knew outside of the 2-3 doing it, it is a stern reminder to the officers of any guild to NEVER look the other way and IMMEDIATELY remove members if there is any suspicion of things like this going on. Maybe it isn't fair, maybe no one knew outside the people exploiting, but its a point you should get across.

Back on live, I was in a guild that was disbanded at least twice on Rallos (Peace of Formosa). I never duped my corpse and frankly never knew how to until everyone quit, and at which time, it had been fixed. I never ran MQ/SEQ or anything like that either. I didn't habitually train, kill steal or otherwise shit on EQ's PNP policy. However, having my guild disbanded and being left with a lengthy KOS list by supporting them has long served me as a reminder in games to be wary of allying with the shitbag party, because once the officers/leadership are gone, the guild fails and you're left holding the reputation bag.

As a closing note, I've had my hands in dealing with IB/FE/TMO and read all guild chats, got to know people individually at various ranks in the guilds and even sat in their vents. As Tiggles very wisely pointed out, just as 10% of the server causes 90% of the problems, 10% of the guild causes 90% of those problems.

The loot hogging (read: having more than 2 decked out characters aka epic+trakanon loot+sky) comes down to players having nothing new content wise to farm and they are constantly making new alts, gearing them out and camping them out at raid targets. I blame a lot of the behavior on the population being top heavy at the raid scene due to lack of content. Kunark came out without a ton of classic mechanics being addressed and Nilbog (I presume at his direction) has circled back with his devs and started fixing all the little elements that made classic EQ distinguishable from POP+. I'm sure we could have had Velious by now but there'd be a ton of jacked up/non-classic content and mechanics still sitting around, some of which were so glaring and severe that I would say they invalidated any pride in raiding (hi2u Sirran + supporting scum).

The best "fix" to all of this, and an enjoyable while still fair (you might not get every loot in the game, trust me), is to appreciate this as a WORK IN PROGRESS and more of a beta than anything else (grats if you spent RMT on this, lol). A fresh server start with an approximately correct timeline does ensure that all players will be rewarded closely in relation to their time investment/skill and also that content is released at such a pace that the guild who has had it on farm has something to move on to so the #2 guy can get in on the content without having to wait too long.


Dictated but not read.

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Nirgon wins again. Nothing changes.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You also didnt mention the 3 IB staff members Hobby/Cyrius/Xzerion,

Who was Hobby? To my knowledge people claimed it was Virtuosos, but im about 99% sure that wasn't true. Cyrius was Uu but was removed as a Guide while he was still in Darkwind. He didn't join IB until long after he was removed as a GM (I know, because I was in DA at the time he was removed, and joined IB before he did). And Xzerion was a developer and you guys chasing him off probably has a lot to do with the fact that we've been waiting on Velious forever.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another great Nirgon post, +1

It's called being objective and thinking things through.

I'd suggest TMO even take a month break to see how IB/FE treat the rest of the guilds on the server.

See if they actually make a rotation/raid calendar. THEN they are the better men.

Go on, I'll wait.

Otherwise, they're the same as TMO, just less determined and willing to give up less RL.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who was Hobby? To my knowledge people claimed it was Virtuosos, but im about 99% sure that wasn't true. Cyrius was Uu but was removed as a Guide while he was still in Darkwind. He didn't join IB until long after he was removed as a GM (I know, because I was in DA at the time he was removed, and joined IB before he did). And Xzerion was a developer and you guys chasing him off probably has a lot to do with the fact that we've been waiting on Velious forever.

Hobby was Virtuosos that was confirmed by none other than Hobby/Virtuosos.

Xzerion did almost no work developing this was documented. We are waiting on velious simply because nilbog is very very careful who he lets dev.

[Andervin]

Originally Posted by Elmarnieh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope never been TMO but thanks for revleaing how your leaps of logic are actually pitfalls. Thats great and if general consensus was anything more than a logical fallacy you might have a point. Oops too bad you don't.

My bad. I assumed from your demeanor and defense of TMO that you were a member. I apologize. I didn't realize you were just an elitist asshole. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Carry on.

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Andervin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My bad. I assumed from your demeanor and defense of TMO that you were a member. I apologize. I didn't realize you were just an elitist asshole. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Carry on.

I'm not the one calling people douches just because they don't like the same play style I do.

[Purdee]

its not about play style, its about treating each other with respect.

[dav]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid leader/officer. Whatever. You say tmo had GM assistance yet that same gm was assisting IB. Also that same gm Suspended TMO. Yep GM assistance.

You also didnt mention the 3 IB staff members Hobby/Cyrius/Xzerion, or Rogean being R/L friends with many of IB's older members. You didn't mention the Foxwoods dates, and direct phone calls Eashan and others got to make to rogean. (not to mention the direct line to its inguild staff members)

But please tell us more!

Huh, is this a deflection, what are you talking about? That GM didn't suspend TMO. Unless you're talking about the suspension that was lifted and wasn't told to anybody but TMO, i.e. the very unfair situation I was talking about to begin with, then yes.

Why does the fact that she helped Kinsawt RMT mean that she wasn't helping the guild her boyfriend was in your eyes? Are you really so thick that you're attempting to say because she helped when person do x, she clearly didn't help one person do y?

In regards to the other individuals you mentioned, of course that occured as well. Just like Rogean gave Phisting items in exchange for some police assistance and they called/had dinner. It happens all the time, what does that have to do with what I said?

You're not making sense, you just sound upset. There are dozens of incidents of GM-player interaction or GM-guild relations that happens on this server, that doesn't detract from anything I've said.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact is using this argument is null and void considering TMO was once the guild that was going to dethrone the previous "douchebags" and promised to be a better top guild. Look what happened they ended up much worse and completely ruined the end game for all others involved. It was bad before when it was IB... but not nearly as bad as the last few years with TMO.

Are there similarities, yes

Are they the same.... no

Of course they aren't exactly the same. There's different staff now, personalities invovled etc.

The intention is there, the behavior is there, the % of mobs taken is there.

BUT! The same thing is happening and everyone who isn't at the mob kills is talking shit... which receives the "you guys are noobs" response back.

I want to see the other guilds make a raid calendar in TMO's absence. Then you win the argument and are the "better people".

Go ahead, do it.

I forget who but they said it was a line of like 10 guilds for Venril or something on their live server. Sounds about right. I'm sure the try hard raid crowd who invests godly hours is just dying to implement a calendar like that.

[Xadion]

IB will make an agreement and maybe keep it during the two weeks, and maybe a little after. Would beat out the past record of agreement keeping in the DA days.