Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[Knuckle]

Guards should assist by faction, no reason not to have this in.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guards should assist by faction, no reason not to have this in.

This is something that needs to be fixed. At the very least if it's not going to work how it did on Live, they should make it so that a guard that's dubious or even apprehensive to you doesn't assist you. I can see a guard assisting someone who's amiable against someone who's kindly, but not someone dubious against someone indifferent or higher. Also a green con guard that's KOS would assist you under the system described by Rogean. We'll see how it works once it's implemented but as it's been described, I don't like it.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Griefing/vengeance fests would result in lots of people leaving the server. And anyway, how does endgame gear being more difficult to obtain help server stability at all?

well if it takes 3 years or get your guild endgame geared for one expansion because everytime you try and raid you get destroyed by rival guild seems like that would be more fun then maxing out after 3 months

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by gloinz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well if it takes 3 years or get your guild endgame geared for one expansion because everytime you try and raid you get destroyed by rival guild seems like that would be more fun then maxing out after 3 months

Who maxes out? On VZ there was only 1 guild (occasionally 1-2 others would come close) that would be raiding the very endgame before the next expansion released. It's not like every level 60 character will have their epic before velious is released; there is always something to work toward.

[Taluvill]

I posted this in Loot n Scoot too. Easiest way to enforce everything:

Enforce hacking/exploiting. Otherwise, leave it to the players.

The players will govern themselves. If everyone trains, the strong will make it to 50 and raid, and trainers names stick with them forever. PKers will never get a guild. Just douse the hacking/exploits and this might be the easiest server to deal with.

[Liebestod]

Sorry to re-dredge an old post but...

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I posted this in Loot n Scoot too. Easiest way to enforce everything:

Enforce hacking/exploiting. Otherwise, leave it to the players.

The players will govern themselves. If everyone trains, the strong will make it to 50 and raid, and trainers names stick with them forever. PKers will never get a guild. Just douse the hacking/exploits and this might be the easiest server to deal with.

Let me guess, you played on Rallos Zek. (If not, you'd fit right in) This was the best and worst thing about Rallos Zek. It was a badge of honor to be a pk'er because you had to basically fight the entire server.

But this bullshit about ostracizing people who like to PVP is where it begins, soon the "Anti'pk'ers" are the ones training, acting like "because they're the bad guys it's okay."

Rallos turned into a neutered server once velious came out because the non-pvp'ing pussies raided, pk'ers couldn't and the gear disparagement grew from every expansion on, in planes of power 4 players without the best gear could take on one geared in PoT and he could laugh it off.

I'm not saying if someone is killing everyone randomly you should still trust/group with him, I'm just saying it can turn quickly from "PVP is to settle issues" and "guild wars" into "Hey everyone, if WE play nice, we can ALL get gear"

[Nirgon]

If you attack a raid and get killed, you should be willing to wait until said raid is over to get your corpse.

If there are hostile players in a dungeon, know the risk you are taking upon yourself before going in, deciding to stay or attacking them. I don't think this LNS thing should be GM enforced.

IE - someone zones in, ganks a person in a group and runs away. He then tries to call a GM enforced LNS on that person so the group in question has to go on for an hour (or predetermined time) a man down. -> Stupid.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Liebestod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me guess, you played on Rallos Zek. (If not, you'd fit right in) This was the best and worst thing about Rallos Zek. It was a badge of honor to be a pk'er because you had to basically fight the entire server.

But this bullshit about ostracizing people who like to PVP is where it begins, soon the "Anti'pk'ers" are the ones training, acting like "because they're the bad guys it's okay."

Rallos turned into a neutered server once velious came out because the non-pvp'ing pussies raided, pk'ers couldn't and the gear disparagement grew from every expansion on, in planes of power 4 players without the best gear could take on one geared in PoT and he could laugh it off.

I'm not saying if someone is killing everyone randomly you should still trust/group with him, I'm just saying it can turn quickly from "PVP is to settle issues" and "guild wars" into "Hey everyone, if WE play nice, we can ALL get gear"

That would be so cool! I never got to experience high end on RZ, but each of the pvp servers had some very interesting and unique things going for them. It won't happen here, though. The biggest guild is already comprised of very serious PKers and they have a good chance at becoming top pve guild. Anyone who wishes to compete with them will be forced to pvp.

Don't worry, there is no conceivable way for this server to become like RZ :P

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PKers will never get a guild. Just douse the hacking/exploits and this might be the easiest server to deal with.

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[Haul]

Originally Posted by Dontmez_Mebro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trains were always a part of EQ. I think it will be easier on the GM's if they just allow it. If some jerk gets known for training then corpse/bind camp him back into childhood.

This.