Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Ripqozko]

2 pages to go and ya know DSM has to have the last word, I'm excited

[fortior]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, not true.

If you're going the untwinked route, shaman stat buffs are great for melee.

But this is a 4 person all caster/priest group. So in the context of the thread, you're correct [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, shamans are fantastic until melees start capping out their relevant stats. They don't scale well with mob numbers either due to their relative lack of CC. A cleric/enc duo can DA hold/AE mez to instantly break a whole room of mobs with 100% safety, there are things which shamans just can't ever do no matter the gear. If this was about soloing you could make the argument that shamans combine healing with slowing, but in a 4-man group you don't need to put both of those tasks on the same character. You can have the cleric heal and the enchanter slow.

If you even want a slow, that is. Underestimating damage shield dps is another classic noob mistake, especially if you're playing fast and loose with charm pets (no reason not to if you've got 2-3)

[Gloomlord]

Remember when DSM left the thread? Good times.

Guy just had the need to come in again after this thread was bumped because he knows he's embarrassed himself and wants to get the last word.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when DSM left the thread? Good times.

Guy just had the need to come in again after this thread was bumped because he knows he's embarrassed himself and wants to get the last word.

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

See he can never not have the last word, easy 400

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

But we have. More than 10 posters have done so. Some have even provided DPS metres for Mage. You've disregarded them all, then moved the goalposts.

And I'm the troll, Brown? Right...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But we have. More than 10 posters have done so. Some have even provided DPS metres for Mage. You've disregarded them all, then moved the goalposts.

None of this is true, but that is par for the course with a troll.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of this is true, but that is par for the course with a troll.

You can argue, idiotically, that since it is subjective why Shaman is useless in this group, that it isn't "true".

However, people did show you Mage DPS metres. That was objective. You're outright lying here.

This is why I insult you, DSM. You know you deserve every harsh callout coming your way.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

Nobody is saying shamans are bad. They are just simply not as needed in this state of velious with gear and especially in this composition. As I stated, Most monks would rather just duo with a cleric because you don’t have to risk torp not keeping up or with dispells and what not. Having a cleric is just safer, just toss in cheals as needed with aego. Rez if shit hits the fan. Paci bracer through dungeon. Double da, etc. blur. Just more tools than a shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is saying shamans are bad. They are just simply not as needed in this state of velious with gear and especially in this composition. As I stated, Most monks would rather just duo with a cleric because you don’t have to risk torp not keeping up or with dispells and what not. Having a cleric is just safer, just toss in cheals as needed with aego. Rez if shit hits the fan. Paci bracer through dungeon. Double da, etc. blur. Just more tools than a shaman.

And I am not saying Clerics are bad either. People are simply overestimating them for the content this group will be doing. You aren't CHing a warrior discing.

Torp + Slow will keep up with whatever a Monk/Cleric duo can do. I would be happy to discuss specific camps if you had some in mind.