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[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heres how it works if you believe in the bible, cool.

if you dont and you understand science, cool.

if you believe in the bible but think science is a religion think you're smarter than people htat understand science, shut the fuck up.

Facts are facts.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You claim God didn't give clear instructions. You create some kind of grey are that doesn't exist. Better yet, like I mentioned in my response that you quoted, there is somewhat different interpretations of the bible depending on your Christian religion, now assuming God DOES exist, I think they would have to be only one that is true correct? Well, maybe a lot of the core values are true, but then other stuff gets jumbled up and confusing. Even more so considering if the Bible is text from X period and has gone through several different translations, it might be safe to assume that not all of it is proper. Anyways, you seem to not like what said instructions are, so you are concluding that he is incompetent or uncaring? Like I also said, apparently you seem to know God personally, but claim he doesn't exist. I think it's safe to assume that you really have no idea what you are saying.

Also, next time you tell someone that you stopped reading, don't respond to comments that were later in the response. Even more so, I will not break up sentences for you to feel less illiterate because for some reason your brain can't process text without having a big white space between 3-4 lines.

FINETHENIWONTBREAKUPTEXTEITHER> If you want anyone to take you serious you should at least TRY to express your ideas in a coherent fashion.

"a lot of the core values are true, but then other stuff gets jumbled up and confusing. Even more so considering if the Bible is text from X period and has gone through several different translations"

An omnipotent being would know this and write it in a way that it can be easily translated...next.

"Anyways, you seem to not like what said instructions are, so you are concluding that he is incompetent or uncaring?"

I dont think "he" exists at all. You seem to miss the point entirely. OMNIPOTENT BEINGS CAN DO ANYTHING INCLUDING WRITING A BOOK WITHOUT RELYING ON SHEEP HERDERS TO SCRIBBLE IT DOWN. It is the virtual nail in the coffin...men wrote the bible and it came from the minds of very fallible men. Why would a God need someone to channel his inner thoughts to us? It is complete nonsense.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So why doesnt the verse say that instead? Pretty unclear for a holy book if you ask me. Either God gives horribly vague instructions that are open for any interpretation or it was meant for literal translation.

If I was omnipotent and wanted to instruct my creation, I think I could do WAY better. Hell, I am not omnipotent and I could still right a book that has less contradictions and less cryptic verses.

So we are left with two possibilities, God intentionally gave unclear instructions or God is not that good at communicating his message. Either way it doesnt look good for him.

Lastly, you seem to be avoiding the two verses I listed about giving away your material possessions. Is there some cryptic interpretation that allows you to ignore them as well?

So you've never ever used illustrations or hyperbole to make a point? Point blank cut and dry facts would give you the information, but we are humans, we like to be able to reason on things. We like to get emotionally involved. We like to learn and reinforce ideas and work things out for ourselves. This also allows for free will. If you refuse to try to understand, or refuse a reasonable explanation, then that's your choice.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you've never ever used illustrations or hyperbole to make a point? Point blank cut and dry facts would give you the information, but we are humans, we like to be able to reason on things. We like to get emotionally involved. We like to learn and reinforce ideas and work things out for ourselves. This also allows for free will. If you refuse to try to understand, or refuse a reasonable explanation, then that's your choice.

If I was giving instructions on something as critical as God was then YES...you are damn straight that I would be as literal and clear as possible. Imagine if we built nuclear factories using vague and open to interpret instructions. This isnt even on the same scale. These are instructions from the creator of the universe on how to live life according to God's plan or else you are TORTURED FOREVER but yet the instructions are more vague than an HBO season finale.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you've never ever used illustrations or hyperbole to make a point? Point blank cut and dry facts would give you the information, but we are humans, we like to be able to reason on things. We like to get emotionally involved. We like to learn and reinforce ideas and work things out for ourselves. This also allows for free will. If you refuse to try to understand, or refuse a reasonable explanation, then that's your choice.

I would agree up to a point. It becomes completely unnecessary and actually counter productive when illustrations and hyperbole are used in instruction manuals. This would go triple when it's instructions that your beloved children need to follow to save their immortal souls.

"God works in mysterious ways" just doesn't cut it.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would agree up to a point. It becomes completely unnecessary and actually counter productive when illustrations and hyperbole are used in instruction manuals. This would go triple when it's instructions that your beloved children need to follow to save their immortal souls.

"God works in mysterious ways" just doesn't cut it.

I never said that God works in mysterious ways. Blunt facts would only work to a point though. You could tell someone not to commit adultery or they will die, but that will only keep them obedient as long as they're scared of threat of death. Explaining to them how important and meaningful it is to follow that command, and how strongly they need to feel about it in order to maintain their stance goes much much further. You can't do that without colorful language like illustration and hyperbole.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said that God works in mysterious ways. Blunt facts would only work to a point though. You could tell someone not to commit adultery or they will die, but that will only keep them obedient as long as they're scared of threat of death. Explaining to them how important and meaningful it is to follow that command, and how strongly they need to feel about it in order to maintain their stance goes much much further. You can't do that without colorful language like illustration and hyperbole.

It can be done and you know it. Let's suppose for the sake of argument that you couldn't though. Why not for the sake of consistency have both? These are again God's precious children after all.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It can be done and you know it. Let's suppose for the sake of argument that you couldn't though. Why not for the sake of consistency have both? These are again God's precious children after all.

The bible contains both direct commands and illustrative talk and hyperbole.

[Non Quixote]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, your implication is that the definition of supernatural is only relevant whenever science claims its relevant or not.

No. That's not even close to what I said.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would ask if you are one of those people that spam about reading comprehension whenever someone disagrees with you, but you already made that answer obvious.

At this point your reading comprehension is suspect, whether I note that it is or not. You continue to "respond" to your own fabrications. You're either being malicious (trolling) or misunderstanding what I'm posting. And honestly, you'd have to form a coherent argument before I can even be sure what you're disagreeing with.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think scientists do that, and in fact have not even once in this thread claimed that god is the all mighty.

I never said that you claimed that. Yet another misrepresentation.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have simply provided logic to your guys argument which usually results in angry responses that I just don't get it, when there is no grey areas or not understanding the definitions and facts that I have provided. You are the one to claim that things that things without any real proof are true while claiming religious views are without a doubt 100% fabricated, which is the same idea as a theory.

Let's see if I can sort this goop out. Firstly, you have yet to respond logically to anything, even your own strawmen. Secondly, I agreed with the definitions you provided, no idea how you got anger from that. Followed by yet another strawman. I think. It's pretty garbled. Maybe you could take another shot at phrasing your complaint coherently?

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you a question, are you one of those people that feels because shitty things happen, or you personally are such a piece of shit that God must not exist, because if he did, this stuff wouldn't happen? Because there is NO scientific evidence at all to prove God doesn't exist, matter of fact, there is more scientific theories that would point to the possibility than not just from logical thinking.

Oh yes, the "you don't believe in a god because you're angry and your life is shitty" gambit. Do you guys read from the same script?

Of course there is no scientific evidence to prove that gods doesn't exist. If you had comprehended what you read in my post (if you even read it), you would see that I clearly stated that a) science deals exclusively with the natural world, and b) gods lie outside the natural world. So no, science can't disprove the existence of your god, or for that matter of fact, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Gods are outside of the realm of science.

Slow down a bit and re-read what you type before you post it. I don't mind responding, but your post has to be somewhat coherent in order for me to do that.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It can be done and you know it. Let's suppose for the sake of argument that you couldn't though. Why not for the sake of consistency have both? These are again God's precious children after all.

So how would you go about explaining and reinforcing a command that is plain and simple and blunt and to the point. Why shouldn't I steal?