The Sleeper to be awoken tonight in Rampage's final raid.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of these guys in Rampage got their loot (their number one priority), 10th rings, legacy ST items and are now leaving the server. They probably never really enjoyed the game of EverQuest to begin with -- EQ is just another nerd competition for domination in a video game, doesn't matter what game it is whether its diablo or Starcraft or whatever. They beat it and then they move on. It's reminiscent of when IB left the server in Kunark.

Most of us who've been around awhile and have a real love of P99 and Classic EQ outgrew this mindset years ago. It sucks that the new players that discover this awesome server are constantly pushed into a toxic raid environment, and unfortunately they do what is asked of them because they're fresh, they're eager to raid, and there's no real alternative. I mean, I haven't tracked a raid target seriously for DKP in years and to many of these players that is the definition of EQ and p99. To stare at walls and not actually play. It gets to the point where you have to question these people's sanity. Having a beer or 3 and staring at the screen for hours just doesn't mesh quite well -- maybe it does for some folks.

Rampage claimed to be the best but I watched a full group of theirs gets rustled and wipe in SG to an icy servant + 1 add the other day, with a lot of the group in velious BIS gear. As a guild they haven't been all that special, they had good clerics and raid leadership but this last repop they were raiding with around 150 players, far far more than TMO ever raided with. Along with the zerging they've utilized consumables to an unprecedented degree which trivialized most of these encounters anyway.

I think its a true statement that Rampage was "special", ahem, because they approached the game like work moreso than any guild before them -- and from my experience being in the guild, most of them (not all) were boring and socially inept. There was no funny guildchat, no players on non-raid times and no personality overall. Player behavior was strictly controlled to the point of hilarity. IB at least had some characters and laughs, and a tight knit community. Same with TMO and Forsaken.

Rampage was P99 competition taken to the point where it was completely devoid of fun and was strictly "business" at all times. If you weren't raiding or tracking you were recharging. If you weren't recharging you were getting your next consumable. They'll have that legacy for sure. Thanks for making this server so much fun for everyone - I think we're all very sad to see you go. The sleeper wakening was just icing on the cake.

And yet, you were in IB and just reapped Rampage two weeks ago.

Pot, kettle, etc

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of these guys in Rampage got their loot (their number one priority), 10th rings, legacy ST items and are now leaving the server. They probably never really enjoyed the game of EverQuest to begin with -- EQ is just another nerd competition for domination in a video game, doesn't matter what game it is whether its diablo or Starcraft or whatever. They beat it and then they move on. It's reminiscent of when IB left the server in Kunark.

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Most Rampage don't have 10th rings, and I'm guessing most their core never will. "Most Rampage" in general didn't get the loot they wanted, only those that had high dkp going into Velious....it really is a handful of people. Hoku didn't even have the best monk weapon to give you an idea.

This is a full on defeat. Nothing less. Rampage successfully defeated. They didn't just leave because they are bored. There is zero chance the sleeper would be awoken if FA wasn't clearly beating them in NToV. Can't you see this is a face-saving measure?

I like the rest of your post and I didn't mean to solo you out. But I see this kind of thinking a lot with more casual guilds. Trust me, there aren't any people with 3 BiS characters or any of that nonsense. In fact, I wonder if anyone has pure BiS now (many classes would need an essence item for one). It takes a long time to gear in this game.

[Erati]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in the encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in these encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

so you're saying Asgard should concede?

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in the encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

Think you're mistaken. Well be there on Sunday, friend. Well be there.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think you're mistaken. Well be there on Sunday, friend. Well be there.

No i meant on the impacted mobs and I was too Lazie to clarify.

I know you guys will be there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No i meant on the impacted mobs and I was too Lazie to clarify.

I see what you did there sir.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well be there on Sunday, friend. Well be there.

Cringe

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in the encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

This also boggles my mind...

Taken/Rampage eat a suspension for killing their train, while off tanking Dracoliche. They get the suspension together because they killed the mob together.

Forsaken eats 5 suspensions, for killing or training a variety of mobs stalled and such. All mobs were killed with Asgard. Yet only Forsaken gets the suspension??

What's the reasoning for suspending 1 alliance on one petition and only 1 guild of an alliance on 5 others?

And the 5-day suspension when 80% of the targets are 7-day respawns, 5% are 5-day respawns and 15% are 3-day respawns... Seems like a troll of a suspension. Why suspend for 5 days of raiding when the vast majority of targets won't spawn, and when the reason you're being suspended in the first place was exclusively your behavior on 7-day targets.

I see Sirken also deleted all posts in the petition thread and locked it. That seems constructive...

Should just make all repops so people spread out IMO.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This also boggles my mind...

Taken/Rampage eat a suspension for killing their train, while off tanking Dracoliche. They get the suspension together because they killed the mob together.

Forsaken eats 5 suspensions, for killing or training a variety of mobs stalled and such. All mobs were killed with Asgard. Yet only Forsaken gets the suspension??

What's the reasoning for suspending 1 alliance on one petition and only 1 guild of an alliance on 5 others?

And the 5-day suspension when 80% of the targets are 7-day respawns, 5% are 5-day respawns and 15% are 3-day respawns... Seems like a troll of a suspension. Why suspend for 5 days of raiding when the vast majority of targets won't spawn, and when the reason you're being suspended in the first place was exclusively your behavior on 7-day targets.

I see Sirken also deleted all posts in the petition thread and locked it. That seems constructive...

Should just make all repops so people spread out IMO.

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.