sk starting points

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao you guys are still going

you know how dsm is, everyone is wrong, his way is the only way.
cant even have like a half normal conversation with him, i feel bad for him tbh.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao you guys are still going

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[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao you guys are still going

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[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP is clearly not worried about the +60 STR difference between Ogres and Iksars. Otherwise they would pick Ogre. OP will not miss the +20 STR worth of starting stats that they put into INT, as they are already missing +60 STR.

The benefit of ogre over iksar is irrelevant as the OP expressed their focus on the Greenmist. Are you seriously suggesting the ogre should faction iksar and do the quest just to bank it?!

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a level 55 ogre warrior in a group today ask for str because he was overweight with coin.

arguably the +20 starting strength wasn't important because your buffs could fix it... BUT not every situation is going to have a strength buffer. Also, how was the ogre geared? perhaps he DID be crazy enough to put starting strenght?!
Also, the need for buffs you describe highlights a big disadvantage of using buffs to offset lack of spending points on starting strength. Those points can't be dispelled or overridden by debuffs.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks can carry weight over the Monk weight limit lol. I was at 100+ stone from coin and loot often on my monk. It is silly to try and argue players can't do this. I didn't have issues with being over the limit.

I have both practical experience and hard evidence to back up my claims, which are within the bounds of OP's question.

Please stop making up goal posts and then telling people they are moving them. It is sad.

Regarding encumbrance, if you were at 100+ on your monk, you would have been over 150+ on an equivalent SK, potentially pushing it in to encumbrance.

You haven't posted any evidence to back up your claim that you wouldn't have done better with 160 str than 140.

Furthermore, your unsupported argument that '140 str squelches any AC xp mobs have, so adding strength wouldn't accomplish anything' actually undermines your demonstration of mr turtle's strength derived dps increase. This happens through two ways - 1) you admit it is possible to cap out the attack/mitigation roll and in these situations any change in dps would be marginal (basically improvements to the max hit / di multiplier). 2) therefore there are situations where attack isn't swamping mitigation and str derived attack improvements will provide more dps. I'll try get back to you in a month or so. If you could be so kind, do remind me.


OP if you are still reading, what other gear are you aiming for? Are you thinking the iksar only Greenmist armour from fear, as this seems to be a themed character, or is the weapon the only part you are interested in?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The benefit of ogre over iksar is irrelevant as the OP expressed their focus on the Greenmist. Are you seriously suggesting the ogre should faction iksar and do the quest just to bank it?!

I said OP understands that he is losing 60 STR by picking Iksar over Ogre. You do not need to read farther into it. I am not sure where you are getting this idea of doing Greenmist and banking it. Nobody suggested that.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

arguably the +20 starting strength wasn't important because your buffs could fix it... BUT not every situation is going to have a strength buffer. Also, how was the ogre geared? perhaps he DID be crazy enough to put starting strenght?!
Also, the need for buffs you describe highlights a big disadvantage of using buffs to offset lack of spending points on starting strength. Those points can't be dispelled or overridden by debuffs.

Debuffs are much more dangerous for your other buffs, not STR buffs. Losing haste is a much bigger deal for your DPS. If someone needs a STR buff to run back to a vendor, it is unlikely they are getting dispelled.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regarding encumbrance, if you were at 100+ on your monk, you would have been over 150+ on an equivalent SK, potentially pushing it in to encumbrance.

You can be over encumbrance and not lose your run speed, so that isn't an issue either. Being 20 stone over with 140ish STR is not a big deal.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You haven't posted any evidence to back up your claim that you wouldn't have done better with 160 str than 140.

I posted my leveling speeds, which was 1 level an hour. A small DPS increase wouldn't have significantly reduced this number. Is it hard data? No, but people are keen on bringing in their personal experiences. There is no reason why I cannot do the same. I would be happy to be proven wrong if someone can bring more concrete data than personal experience.

The posters who are claiming that +20 STR will give a significant boost to DPS need to provide evidence for their claim. Thus far they have not. I am the only person providing counter evidence against that claim, as well as evidence supporting my claim.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Furthermore, your unsupported argument that '140 str squelches any AC xp mobs have, so adding strength wouldn't accomplish anything' actually undermines your demonstration of mr turtle's strength derived dps increase. This happens through two ways - 1) you admit it is possible to cap out the attack/mitigation roll and in these situations any change in dps would be marginal (basically improvements to the max hit / di multiplier). 2) therefore there are situations where attack isn't swamping mitigation and str derived attack improvements will provide more dps. I'll try get back to you in a month or so. If you could be so kind, do remind me.

I didn't say anything about 140 STR squelching AC lol. I said that the DPS increase from +20 STR based on the data thus far is not significant enough for players to notice. Please read more carefully and stop making these wild claims about what other people say. It just causes more confusion.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure where you are getting this idea of doing Greenmist and banking it. Nobody suggested that.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You have an unhealthy obsession with autism. Even if I was autistic, it is a bad look for YOU. A 40 year old doctor desperately trying to dunk on autistic people (and still failing) lol. Yikes.

In all of your ramblings, you forgot the core issue: emotions and context are lost in text messages.

I am not a mind reader, and cannot tell if he is being serious or sarcastic via text alone. I cannot see his face, tone of voice, etc. You generally need to make it clear that was your intent, that is why /sarcasm exists, for example.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not a mind reader, and cannot tell if he is being serious or sarcastic via text alone. I cannot see his face, tone of voice, etc. You generally need to make it clear that was your intent, that is why /sarcasm exists, for example.

The sarcasm in his post was so obvious it was practically glowing.

I’m sorry it went over your head but …

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[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.Debuffs are much more dangerous for your other buffs, not STR buffs. Losing haste is a much bigger deal for your DPS. If someone needs a STR buff to run back to a vendor, it is unlikely they are getting dispelled.

You can’t put starting stats into haste. Kinda irrelevant to the discussion.

Losing str to debuff is also about tanking.

Incapacitate removes maybe 50 str from removing a buff, removes 50 for the debuff, lowers agi by 50 too.

If you are overweight by 20 before this spell lands you’ll be fucked and your avoidance is wrecked (not the end of the world if a mage cast DS on you!). Likely barely move too (even worse if a shaman helpfully(!) tosses a torpor).

By stating and gearing strength you aren’t relying on that 50 buff str so incapacitate doesn’t hit anywhere near as bad.

Spending too long in solb/kc/seb is a big part of why i like str. I’ve grown to hate the incapacitate/cripple line on toons relying on str buffs.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say anything about 140 STR squelching AC lol. I said that the DPS increase from +20 STR based on the data thus far is not significant enough for players to notice. Please read more carefully and stop making these wild claims about what other people say. It just causes more confusion.

If str isn’t adding determinable improvements then surely that means you’ve soft capped it for that mob’s mitigation? It is the same thing.

Edit: also i bet int wouldn’t have a determinable differnce (you know, if your iksar was a greenmist sk).