Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trolls can't help themselves DSM. They keep posting and can't stop. It takes a real "non troll" to stop posting. Please show us all how non trolly you are. Find a mage and ask him for a teleport. See where it takes ya. Find some mobs to root rot. Have a grand ole time! Nobody will think you're a troll then!

You have admitted to trolling and have literally hundreds of just insult/meme/troll posts.

I am not sure why you want to troll and be taken seriously simultaneously.

You get the worst of both worlds. You look foolish, and people don't know when you are being serious.

Just stop trolling and/or posting if you think I am incorrect. There is nothing wrong with that.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have admitted to trolling and have literally hundreds of just insult/meme/troll posts.

I am not sure why you want to troll and be taken seriously simultaneously.

You get the worst of both worlds. You look foolish, and people don't know when you are being serious.

Just stop trolling and/or posting if you think I am incorrect. There is nothing wrong with that.

You got me DSM! I admitted you were right about everything! I'm just a big fat smelly troll that posts nonsense trolly things! You're just feeding me by responding and you can't stop responding! You're playing right into my hand over and over and over and over! If you truly want to "win" I suggest you stop posting and feeding the trolls. Find a mage to port you somewhere and go play the game. Get off the forums. Only trolls here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You got me DSM! I admitted you were right about everything! I'm just a big fat smelly troll that posts nonsense trolly things! You're just feeding me by responding and you can't stop responding! You're playing right into my hand over and over and over and over! If you truly want to "win" I suggest you stop posting and feeding the trolls. Find a mage to port you somewhere and go play the game. Get off the forums. Only trolls here.

Nah. The trolls win when they silence other people. You don't get to win simply by trolling.

Prove your points with evidence, or stop trolling.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah. The trolls win when they silence other people. You don't get to win simply by trolling.

Prove your points with evidence, or stop trolling.

Let's review what you have "proven" with evidence, shall we? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


DSM has repeatedly provided copy/pastes which simply do not contain any evidence or data of his Shaman performing DPS - or any other action/activity - in an environment/context/scenario that is (or would be) relevant to the discussion; hence his copy/pastes are irrelevant to this discussion.

While DSM is - seemingly - unable or unwilling to provide relevant evidence/data that supports his many claims/statements/positions (which change when he moves the goalposts & edits his posts), I have irrefutable proof of the following, which DSM has as of yet not replied to/acknowledged/defended/challenged/attempted to refute:

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - of DSM attempting to move the goalposts by bringing a 5th "pocket" character into his "arguments" (even though this is intended to be a civil discussion - not an argument) pertaining to the "Best 4 person all caster/priest group" discussion":

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP never said you couldn't have a pocket cleric. I am not sure why people keep thinking this is not a possible route to take. Between four people it would be trivial to level a cleric to 39. It is pretty common for people to make pocket clerics on P99.

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - that DSM attempted to accuse others of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The post history is clear. You are now including cyxthryth to try and strengthen your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum argument because you have nothing else. I find it highly amusing.

Here is my reply to DSM's attempt, in which I point out to him the irrefutable fact - which cannot be refuted - that DSM himself attempted - laughably - to claim (intentionally or otherise) that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum strengthened his argument when one (1) single other person seemed to agree with him:

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your post would seem to betray that you are aware that you have moved goalposts, because you are now attempting (disingenuously) to validate said goalpost-moving by stating that it is objectively true that the OP's post "is general" and that this somehow means "you are not moving the goalposts" by changing the basis of the discussion (from being about 4 priests/casters, to being about 4 priests/casters plus X amount of pocket Clerics, or other pocket classes). It is not objectively true that you are "not moving the goalposts" just because you and OP both agree that the OP's post "was general" and that that somehow means "you are not moving the goalposts". That is simply you - laughably - claiming you (and OP) are correct due to argumentum ad populum hehe. This really isn't hard.

Please clarify what you mean by stating OP's post "was general"?

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - that DSM tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very confident it won't change in a group scenario.

Here re is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - that DSM simply contradicted himself afterward by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - of DSM's post claiming Troxx's data was way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - of DSM's post to Allishia when they provided their initial data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"argument"(s) DSM is defending at any given time due to how often he has moved the goalposts & edited his posts.

For these reasons - which I have repeatedly stated - I am not sure which particular/specific belief/claim/stange/"argument"(s) that DSM is currently holding/defending/"arguing"; it would be helpful if he could elaborate/clarify/specify for the sake of civil discussion.

I am also not sure why DSM has continued to copy/paste his - irrelevant - data, after this exchange occured - which cannot be refuted & is visible and clear in the cleary visible post history - which DSM has as of yet not replied to/acknowledged/defended/challenged/attempted to refute:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason why I am reposting the information is because the trolls are trying to hide the information.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. The content of your post seems to include a claim that "the trolls" are trying to "hide the information". The first problem is that your post would seem to indicate that you believe that information will be "hidden" if additional posts are made - that is objectively false/incorrect DSM. Even if additional posts are made after a specific post, the post history is - and will remain - clear hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now that you have been advised and/or reminded of this irrefutable fact - which cannot be refuted - you should not need to continue to copy/paste to make sure your posts do not get "hidden" hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am also not sure why your post(s) would seemingly indicate that you think that the particular data/information that you keep providing in your copy/pasted posts - which includes data/information of your Shaman's performance in an environment/context/scenario that is contrary to the environment/context/scenario relevant to this discussion, as has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple posters - is somehow relevant to this discussion. It is not. It is simply irrelevant for reasons explained in multiple posts by multiple posters (including in this very post).

Again, DSM - of course - continues not to (directly) reply to me for some reason, and has continued to label me and/or my posts as "a troll"/"trolling", without providing the definition of "troll" / "trolling" that he is using (nor what he meant by stating that OP's post "was general"), and whilst providing zero evidence to support his claims of my being a troll/trolling.

The ball is in DSM's court if he has relevant, factual data to support his various positions/claims/"argument"(s) - and is willing to clarify which particular position/claim/argument(s) he currently holds/"argues", as they often change when he moves goalposts or edits his posts - and/or if he would like to provide the definitions he is using for "troll"/"trolling", "nonsense", "silly", "vitriol", and "win"for the sake of civil discussion hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove your points with evidence, or stop trolling.

What if I do neither? What if I keep trolling forever? You going to just keep responding? I fail to see how that's a win for you. You just keep getting trolled by trolls over and over and you think that's a win?

Any luck finding that mage port yet?

[Gloomlord]

So he claims you to be a troll, yet he keeps responding to you. Why? "Because trolls win if they silence people".

You know, he may have had a point there...if it weren't for 10 other people calling him out on his stupidity.

I know! I know! "Argumentum Ad Populum" right?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if I do neither? What if I keep trolling forever? You going to just keep responding? I fail to see how that's a win for you. You just keep getting trolled by trolls over and over and you think that's a win?

Any luck finding that mage port yet?

You will just keep showing you are a troll if you keep trolling. That only discredits yourself, and makes it harder for you to be taken seriously in a discussion.

So it is your choice as to whether you want to be viewed as a troll here or not.

You are the one that looks bad. I am not forcing you to be a troll in this thread.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So he claims you to be a troll, yet he keeps responding to you. Why? "Because trolls win if they silence people".

You know, he may have had a point there...if it weren't for 10 other people calling him out on his stupidity.

I know! I know! "Argumentum Ad Populum" right?

Curiously, DSM claims I too am a troll, yet does not reply - directly - to me for some reason hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

It's fucking comical to me that he thinks we're all trolls and the best way for him to "win" is to keep falling for our troll posts over and over. It's the most hilariously backwards thing I've ever heard. If someone is REALLY trolling you there's only 2 possible ways to win. Either you troll them back harder or you disengage and don't respond to them. We've established DSM has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to everquest (calling mages a teleport class, saying warriors solo better than enchanters.etc.etc) but now it almost seems like he doesn't understand the entire internet. Falling for trolls isn't how you beat trolls. This shit is internet 101.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will just keep showing you are a troll if you keep trolling. That only discredits yourself, and makes it harder for you to be taken seriously in a discussion.

So it is your choice as to whether you want to be viewed as a troll here or not.

You are the one that looks bad. I am not forcing you to be a troll in this thread.

You cannot force another player to do anything and have provided zero evidence to support that you know and can therefore make objective claims about what they will or will not do.