New map desktop app coming soon (as long as it's still kosher with p99 rules)

[tristantio]

I think boxing limitations have more to do with hardware and resources and the complete lack of barrier to entry (to 6 box) as was present back in the day.

If you figure half the population would 6 box (if allowed) you'd see the server population balloon from ~1000 a night to at least ~4000 a night (then more if the remaining 500 non six boxers just boxed a single extra toon).

Boxing would be something that was allowed back in the day, but has special caveats here (whether hardware related, or to simulate the classic feel, or just to distinguish the server from all the other emu servers where people run around with 6 on auto follow).

Whether you like it or not, this app is no different than a damage parser or the auction tracker, they both read the /log file and do something with the available data outside of the game.

Also in game maps being disabled has more to do with disabling bigger cheat programs that hook into the in game maps than what is/isn't classic (if I had to guess).

Red people against this likely don't use my auction tracker (unless also playing on blue), but I wonder how many bluebies against the map program happily look for items on the auction tracker despite it being "not classic"?

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh I remember the good ole days when I was 13 and when I got mad I thought the best thing to do was to tell people to shut up. Ahh memories. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you ever stop whining?

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were actually reading this thread, at least 18 different people are firmly against it. Thats quite a bit more than a "few" Nice try though.

18 people is in fact "a few people"

[loramin]

2-boxing simply isn't comparable. Live had paid 2-boxing, which required you to buy an extra computer (virtualization didn't really exist back then) and pay for an extra monthly account. Live never allowed free 2-boxing (or free 1-boxing for that matter; SOE liked getting paid).

But obviously we can't have paid 2-boxing here, for legal reasons, so the devs don't allow it. And the devs certainly aren't going to allow free 2-boxing when that was never a part of classic EQ.

[moklianne]

Then the 18 people don't have to use it. If it turns out that rogean or someone else with some actual say on the matter doesn't like it, then over 1000 people shouldn't and hopefully won't be able to use it.

[tristantio]

So far about 180 unique downloads of the app, so 18 people opposing is about 10% of the people aware of (one way or the other) the app.

[Supaskillz]

I like the ability to use logs for some purposes, but it does have a lot of automation ability that can lead to making the game a bit more easy mode.

Some ridiculous things off top of my head that could be done with just log information.
You could record when and where(or where they were first hit) npcs die in logs and store zone respawn timers in the program. Then the program you warn you when respawns are coming near your character.
Cleric could be autoplayed by logging dmg dealt to each player and hitting a macro to stand and heal and sit.
Guild could share data and with fast enough response time basically have a live aggro list based on dmg, procs, spells.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This app does nothing on or to your character. It doesn't automate anything.

Are you pretending to be a dumb ass or do you really think that this is against the current rules?

What the hell are you on about? I quoted Rogean saying an app like this completely legit and then FOR FUCKING CLARITY I quote the OP of that thread describing functionality identical to what's being discussed in this thread, what the fuck makes you think I'm saying it's against the rules? :boggle:

[edit]Please tell me you were drunk/high/overtired/distractedbyporn/whatever. My ignore list is getting annoyingly close to filling the screen[/edit]

[edit2]
In case it's still unclear, Rogean responded to a question regarding the same functionality being discussed here, and I quote:
"Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control."

see http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...090#post722090 for the entire discussion.

[no chewie dont]

Originally Posted by tristantio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far about 180 unique downloads of the app, so 18 people opposing is about 10% of the people aware of (one way or the other) the app.

Name and shame

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some ridiculous things off top of my head that could be done with just log information.

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could record when and where(or where they were first hit) npcs die in logs and store zone respawn timers in the program. Then the program you warn you when respawns are coming near your character.

Something you can already do with a simple kitchen timer.

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cleric could be autoplayed by logging dmg dealt to each player and hitting a macro to stand and heal and sit.

If a program "hit a macro" then it would be a cheat program, and using it would be a bannable offense. And if the program isn't hitting the macro, aren't you basically just talking about playing a cleric (and looking at a log app vs. looking at your party's health)?

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guild could share data and with fast enough response time basically have a live aggro list based on dmg, procs, spells.

You can already get all of that except the "live" part with log parsers that have existed since 2000. Well, and maybe the agro list part, since that's not as simple as you make it sound (agro != just the damage done).

Look, log parsers have existed since just after the dawn of Everquest itself. They have always been legit, no matter who's running the server (SOE or Rogean). Yes we have faster internet now, and yes that allows for slightly more advanced uses of the log, but that doesn't change the fact that log parsers are/forever will be legit.

If you want to "fix" something like this app your only options are going back in time or somehow forcing every P99 player to use dial-up. Good luck.