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[robayon]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You having a baby does not harm me.

does a stranger getting an abortion harm you

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A bunch of grown men in an elf sim forum passionately arguing how they have a right to control another person's body ... when the moment the US government tried to do anything whatsoever to control theirs, they'd be the first one screaming about it.

Fucking hypocrites.

It's not hypocritical, you simply do not have the basic understanding of what personal autonomy means. If you put someone in jail because they murdered someone, that is controlling their body. The vast majority of people in America agree that forcibly controlling another's body is permissible in the specific case of murder.

It is perfectly reasonable to argue about when we are allowed to forcibly control someone's body and when we cannot. We already do this with crimes like murder.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha k GL out there

If the penalty for impregnating a girl from rape, was life in prison, you explain to me how the slippery slope of not punishing rapists, is less slippery than making abortion illegal, and punishing the rapist for manslaughter/premeditated murder????

You cant. Because you dotn think really hard, and have deep passions about this, like you literally believe that the 900k abortions we have per year, would all become back alley abortions.

How many back alley abortions per year are there in 1980? 1990? 2000? You dont know, because the IDEA of back alley abortions is what you're afraid of. Not the reality.

[Reiwa]

Anyway, is contraception in danger?

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[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

does a stranger getting an abortion harm you

yes because it creates a society where people dont value the familial unit, where they postpone growing up until their 40s, where the economy becomes so fragile because everone is a gimi gimi gimi person, and we're where we're at right now.

Society is crumbling, because if you even HAVE a culture, people call you a racist.

That goes for all races, black or white or immigrant.

We're creating a system where if you dont just agree with the establishment tiktoks about entrapanurism, then you're a religious zelot.

I cant believe you anarchists dont see what is happening.

[starkind]

If u post ur sexiest may2022 pic in this thread ill post my most recent one as of today.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If u post ur sexiest may2022 pic in this thread ill post my most recent one as of today.

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[robayon]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes because it creates a society where people dont value the familial unit, where they postpone growing up until their 40s, where the economy becomes so fragile because everone is a gimi gimi gimi person, and we're where we're at right now.

Society is crumbling, because if you even HAVE a culture, people call you a racist.

That goes for all races, black or white or immigrant.

We're creating a system where if you dont just agree with the establishment tiktoks about entrapanurism, then you're a religious zelot.

I cant believe you anarchists dont see what is happening.

I don't really believe any of the stuff in your entire first paragraph and it seems like you're making some vast leaps there.

Anyways, I have previously stated that I do not think that using abortion as post-sex birth control is ethical. However, I do not think me thinking it's unethical gives me the right, or the state, to tell a woman what she can and can't do with that potential life.

It's between her and God. I believe our lives are chock full of sin anyways, but the right fuming about this particular one is very hypocritical and suspicious, given the control it gives the state over women.

I understand libertarian values. I am not a right wing libertarian. All kinds of unethical stuff is legal, including vast amounts of murder. But the right does not seem worried about that.

Or what passes for the left in America, but that's a different discussion

[Jibartik]

I don't really believe any of the stuff in your entire first paragraph and it seems like you're making some vast leaps there.

wait are you saying abortion rights have no effect on society?~!??! ok then problem solved, moving on!

Anyways, I have previously stated that I do not think that using abortion as post-sex birth control is ethical.

Nowhere did I suggest that, or even imply that was an effect of outlawing abortion: No it creates the idea that a child is expendable and that you stay young and should work (do tiktok) until you are going through menopause and its too late to have kids.

I WILL argue that the kids who are having too much fun with their college degrees, to decide to buckle down and get a job, and work hard, is both the reason we're collapsing, and a result of the 20-40 rumbspringah melinials think life is meant to be.

[Jibartik]

People say this is a metaphore for capitalism:

WRONG

it's a metaphor for abortion in a capitalist system:



It literally IS the best western argument for abortion: I cant afford to work my job and have the baby and make the money.