Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The only impressive thing is how Raj has almost 100 posts and not 1 of them actually contributes to the thread he is posting on. It's easy to be a troll account[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Raj]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only impressive thing is how Raj has almost 100 posts and not 1 of them actually contributes to the thread he is posting on. It's easy to be a troll account[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More posts please like this my friend! Finally we are in agreement on something. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Burnt Wood Staff = 25 DPS clickie nuke, OR
Boots of Bladecalling = 35 DPS clickie nuke
Mage Velious Robe = clickie Shield of Lava (25 point DS)
Mage Velious Pants = clickie Burnout III (pet haste)

A Mage can pump out massive sustained DPS for hours on end using literally no mana and by pressing two buttons per mob. Throw in C2 and downtime medding and the Mage can also toss in regular nukes for even higher DPS. A focused 60 water pet positioned for backstabbing is very close if not greater than epic pet DPS and is very attainable for every Mage main.

The Mage is easily maintaining over 100 DPS while day trading, doing laundry, gardening and lifting weights. Meanwhile DSM's keyboard is catching on fire from pressing buttons so fast trying to Canni/Torpor back the 800 mana he is blowing each kill. StarCraft world champions literally salivating over this man's sustained APM and click speed. Korean teenagers making pilgrimages to his house to learn his secrets (he tells them nothing, he just whispers "I did it all for the Fungi"). Even still, despite his best efforts, he is easily smoked by the Mage's DPS in real world scenarios.But his quixotic crusade persists. He must spread the gospel of Bane and Pox. It's worth it to him to be recognized as the only DPS Shaman in the history of EverQuest (in his delusional mind at least).

You do know that Mages can only cast 1 spell at a time right?

At best you are adding 17 DPS because you are using Boots of Bladecalling instead of Shock of Steel. So you could do 105 DPS tops. A Shaman could also do well over 100 DPS any time there are multiple mobs in camp to DoT. A Shaman can also deal damage or do other things while their DoTs are ticking, while a Mage is basically stuck with the casting window if they are spamming their clickies.

The only silly thing here is you think ~30 DPS is worth losing all of the other things a Shaman can do. A group with 2 Enchanters is already doing plenty of DPS, you aren't going to notice the 30 extra DPS the Mage is doing.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Burnt Wood Staff = 25 DPS clickie nuke, OR
Boots of Bladecalling = 35 DPS clickie nuke
Mage Velious Robe = clickie Shield of Lava (25 point DS)
Mage Velious Pants = clickie Burnout III (pet haste)

A Mage can pump out massive sustained DPS for hours on end using literally no mana and by pressing two buttons per mob. Throw in C2 and downtime medding and the Mage can also toss in regular nukes for even higher DPS. A focused 60 water pet positioned for backstabbing is very close if not greater than epic pet DPS and is very attainable for every Mage main.

The Mage is easily maintaining over 100 DPS while day trading, doing laundry, gardening and lifting weights. Meanwhile DSM's keyboard is catching on fire from pressing buttons so fast trying to Canni/Torpor back the 800 mana he is blowing each kill. StarCraft world champions literally salivating over this man's sustained APM and click speed. Korean teenagers making pilgrimages to his house to learn his secrets (he tells them nothing, he just whispers "I did it all for the Fungi"). Even still, despite his best efforts, he is easily smoked by the Mage's DPS in real world scenarios.But his quixotic crusade persists. He must spread the gospel of Bane and Pox. It's worth it to him to be recognized as the only DPS Shaman in the history of EverQuest (in his delusional mind at least).

Best post in this thread. /clap

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best post in this thread. /clap

It's really not. With Boots he is doing 105 DPS. With Epic DoT a Shaman is doing an extra 7-15 DPS per mob depending on tick time, plus at least 5-10 DPS with JBB. A Shaman can increase their DPS by roughly the same amount if we add clickies to the equation, so you aren't gaining any ground. Plus Epic DoT is not limited to a single target, so you can root/rot multiple mobs in any area that supports it.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Shaman can regenerate around 16 mana per second.

You require the Cleric to constantly spend mana healing you in order to theoretically be able to canni that much, or you would need to spend your own time and mana on Torpor, which inherently is slowing you down and means that's not your actual mana regen rate.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It only takes about 40 seconds to recover the entire mana cost of Bane + Envenomed Bolt.

Even if you theoretically had enough mana, that can still be too slow. Go to Kael plate cycle. It's an infinite number of MOBs to kill. Being able to DoT every 40 seconds isn't good enough.

But even beyond that, your numbers are STILL very wrong. Your DPS only starts working after spells actually land, and the DoT's need to fully tick (which they frequently don't, as the target dies before the next tick comes). Here is what the numbers actually look like in a group scenario like this:

Spend 5 seconds casting Bane --> 150 damage and will hit 3 ticks = 792 damage
7 seconds later E-bolt hits ---> 110 damage and will hit 2 ticks = 402 damage

That is only 30 DPS. This also assumes you never get resisted, which won't be the case. In actuality the DPS is much lower.

I will help you out though: using E-bolt is pointless, "Blast of Poison" is going to be better instead, as it costs much less mana. You can do a Bane + Blast cycle more frequently (every 30 seconds), and let's say this is sufficient to match the pace of the group. Assuming 70% effectiveness of your spells because of resists, that means the actual realistic DPS is 28. If the Cleric has the mana to always heal you.

[Vexenu]

Wait, are you conceding that a Shaman cannot in fact out-DPS a Mage in realistic scenarios (aka actual EQ not theoretical forumquest)

Because that's been the entire argument. No one has suggested that Shamans don't have utility. Just that their utility is largely wasted with two Enchanters and a Cleric. And it's true the Mage DPS wouldn't be needed either, which is why Necro makes the best fourth wheel, since they add much more utility than either the Shaman or Mage.

[Troxx]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, are you conceding that a Shaman cannot in fact out-DPS a Mage in realistic scenarios (aka actual EQ not theoretical forumquest)

Because that's been the entire argument. No one has suggested that Shamans don't have utility. Just that their utility is largely wasted with two Enchanters and a Cleric. And it's true the Mage DPS wouldn't be needed either, which is why Necro makes the best fourth wheel, since they add much more utility than either the Shaman or Mage.

Lol You didn't read. Again.

Remember when I did the DPS calculation, and Shamans were at 70 and Mages were at 80? Last time I checked 70 isn't greater than 80[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did not say that Shamans are out-DPSing a Mage. I am saying a small difference in DPS (10-30 as the math shows) is not enough to justify bringing a Mage over a Shaman. It's really that simple. You are getting a lot more out of a Shaman's utility than 10-30 DPS in a group with 2 Enchanters.

You are probably thinking about when we were talking about maximum DPS numbers. A Shaman can out-DPS a Mage if they are root/rotting mobs due to how many DoTs you can stack. That doesn't mean it is sustainable, but Troxx at one point was claiming 175 DPS on his Mage, which is obviously him nuke spamming. Shamans can also deal a lot of damage in a less sustainable way hehe.

[Jibartik]

I say we see which group can kill a named mob faster..

lets pick one out of a hat.... Phinigel.