Shadow knight aggro

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correction. You failed to provide any evidence that spam taunt is worth the ~5% it will actually succeed and fire at the exact moment you need it.

It’s odd that you claim 170 str is “good enough” on your monk denouncing the dps gains that would come from more str yet you think somehow that ~5% taunt chance has any actual value.

This is your fundamental flaw and it’s why you can’t win any debates. You throw random pieces of data at the wall and hope it sticks, but you simply lack the ability to formulate truly effective arguments. There’s a reason lawyers have paralegals. Leave the actual arguments for the big boys.

I provided plenty of evidence already:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140

Simply claiming I haven't provided anything is irrelevant. It's factually incorrect. You have nothing to counter my points.

So far I am winning the debate. You simply are unable to concede or provide an argument.

You are strawmanning what I said about STR too, which is pretty common behavior from you. It's very funny that you think I am denouncing DPS gains. Comparing the pros and cons of starting stats is not denouncing DPS gains from STR lol. Its looking at which gains are better in the context of starting stats.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far I am winning the debate.

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[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already factually disproved all of the arguments you made on page 2 here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140.

Troxx is arguing that using taunt strategically is better than spamming it:

If you constantly spam it there’s a one in six chance you won’t have it up the instant you need it most … with a 1-5 second wait before you can use it again. If it fails the first time, you now have a 7-11 second wait for the second taunt instead of a faster 6 second 2nd attempt.

In that post, you explicitly concede that the approach Troxx prefers is more optimal:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt, including myself. Nor have I ever argued otherwise

[Troxx]

I’m glad someone (other than me) finally pointed that out …

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Will DSM concede??

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx is arguing that using taunt strategically is better than spamming it:

In that post, you explicitly concede that the approach Troxx prefers is more optimal:

Cool. Nobody is making a counter argument to that point. I cannot concede an argument I never made. Please stop lying about my arguments. Repeating strawmen over and over is not a valid way to win an argument.

If you want to claim you won a debate nobody was having, that doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment.

My argument has been to rebut this statement made by Troxx and others:

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand this button is a lot less crucial for knights but damn … this isn’t rocket surgery. If you’re already at the top of the aggro list, it [taunt] does nothing.

Saying spamming taunt does nothing is factually incorrect, and I have disproven it utterly:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140

I have been consistent since page 2:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...9&postcount=14

I also admitted a few of my later posts were worded poorly.

I am not sure why people want to deny that spamming taunt has it's uses. Knowing your options for using taunt is a good thing.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying spamming taunt does nothing is factually incorrect, and I have disproven it utterly.

You've really made this many posts, and the entirety of your argument is the fact that hitting taunt when you're already at the top of the aggro list adds one hate? Plus some miniscule chance you happen to hit it right when aggro flips?

That's your entire argument? No one disputes hitting aggro adds one hate. No one. No one ever has.

If you continue to insist Troxx doesn't mean "does nothing useful", it is you who unable to apply nuance to someone's argument.

No one cares about +1 hate, and you have given no reason why anyone should.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool. Nobody is making a counter argument to that point. I cannot concede an argument I never made. Please stop lying about my arguments. Repeating strawmen over and over is not a valid way to win an argument.

If you want to claim you won a debate nobody was having, that doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment.

My argument has been to rebut this statement made by Troxx and others:



Saying spamming taunt does nothing is factually incorrect, and I have disproven it utterly:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140

I have been consistent since page 2:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...9&postcount=14

I also admitted a few of my later posts were worded poorly.

I am not sure why people want to deny that spamming taunt has it's uses. Knowing your options for using taunt is a good thing.

Dsm thinking he “won” because troxx said “nothing” even though even troxx knows It does “Something”. Its simply not enough to use it over strategic taunting, which is the entire point of this thread.

The desperation here to win is quite sad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've really made this many posts

My posts wouldn't have been necessary if trolls weren't spamming the thread. Don't blame me for your bad behavior and the behavior of others.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the entirety of your argument is the fact that hitting taunt when you're already at the top of the aggro list adds one hate? Plus some miniscule chance you happen to hit it right when aggro flips?

That's your entire argument? No one disputes hitting aggro adds one hate. No one. No one ever has.

Yes. When you say "spamming taunt does nothing", you omit relevant information. You cannot assume everybody knows the information.

Spamming taunt gives you +1 agro every 6 seconds and an 8.33% chance to taunt automatically.

Putting taunt on a macro you are already spamming will factually generate more agro than a player who never presses taunt. Two posters in this thread have admitted to not using taunt at all.

You benefit from spamming taunt if you are leveling up the skill.

The opportunity cost for missing a single taunt is low, due to the skills unreliable nature and 6 second cooldown.

These are all basic facts about taunt, and there is no reason why people should be trying to spend 30 pages denying them.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one cares about +1 hate, and you have given no reason why anyone should.

Your opinion about what people care about is irrelevant. Give people the correct information and let them decide what to do with it.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dsm thinking he “won” because troxx said “nothing” even though even troxx knows It does “Something”. Its simply not enough to use it over strategic taunting, which is the entire point of this thread.

The desperation here to win is quite sad.

That doesn't make any sense. If Troxx knows the basic facts about taunt, he wouldn't be disagreeing with me. He wouldn't say "it does nothing". That isn't helpful to people who don't know everything about taunt.

I am not sure why you keep claiming "the entire point of the thread is X". OP is asking about agro generation. I am giving them information on agro generation. You are not OP, so I am not sure why you keep trying to force the thread in whatever you direction you think it is supposed to be in. That is the only desperation I see. You are just moving the goalposts to seem correct.

[Troxx]

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[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your opinion about what people care about is irrelevant. Give people the correct information and let them decide what to do with it.

We are giving people the correct information. +1 aggro every 6 seconds literally will not make a difference in your ability to hold aggro. It’s you who keeps spreading false data in order to try to “win” pretending like +1 aggro every 6 seconds is somehow significant.

Honestly this feels like borderline bannable information being spread.