Ragefire Agreement/Rotation - Page 35

Metallikus · #**341** 02-21-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One point of clarification: will the established guild who permits the test guild an attempt spawn the test ragefire and then the test guild must kill it or will the test guild spawn and then kill the test ragefire? Basically, does the established guild get that ragefire loot and the test guild only gets added to the rotation or does the test guild get added to the rotation and immediate loot? I do not feel any cleric should be forced to forfeit their pearl for a test ragefire (within the 30min stipulation).

Also, clarify where the test guild is added to the rotation should they succeed. I would suggest: the new guild will be added to the rotation immediately prior the the guild that permitted them the chance to join, starting on the next cycle assuming they succeed.

"I would suggest: the new guild will be added to the rotation immediately prior the the guild that permitted them the chance to join, starting on the next cycle assuming they succeed"

I don't like this because it discourages allowing a guild a chance to get in by forfeiting your turn on the rotation.

Autotune · #**342** 02-21-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One point of clarification: will the established guild who permits the test guild an attempt spawn the test ragefire and then the test guild must kill it or will the test guild spawn and then kill the test ragefire? Basically, does the established guild get that ragefire loot and the test guild only gets added to the rotation or does the test guild get added to the rotation and immediate loot? I do not feel any cleric should be forced to forfeit their pearl for a test ragefire (within the 30min stipulation).

Also, clarify where the test guild is added to the rotation should they succeed. I would suggest: the new guild will be added to the rotation immediately prior the the guild that permitted them the chance to join, starting on the next cycle assuming they succeed.

The current guild on rotation spawns ragefire for the guild applying.

The guild on the rotation gets the loot, the applying guild gets added to the rotation. They will be added to the end. I'll leave it up to a rotation decision on who allows a guild their shot. Then the rotation guild and the applying guild can track together. The applying guild should not be allowed to choose which guild btw. This will make it as random as possible for them to best test their ability.

Craigmandu · #**343** 02-21-2012, 02:34 PM

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I don't like this because it discourages allowing a guild a chance to get in by forfeiting your turn on the rotation.

Needing "sponsorship" is the problem. As I would expect that people wouldn't "sponsor" any other guilds unless all of their clerics were already epic to ensure that all of theirs got it quicker.

If you come up with a way for people to publicly declare they are capable....that should throw them at the back of the rotation....and allow them to take their shot, with the next in line on hot standby or in attendance at the time in case they don't really have the capability.....

Autotune · #**344** 02-21-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rules:

1) 30mins to engage for the kill
2) can be assisted if you can get the help within the time allowed
3) If you can't engage in 30mins and kill your Ragefire, you forfeit your turn to the next guild on the rotation.
4) If you fail twice in a row, you will be removed from the rotation.

yeah, 30mins to engage to kill the dragon form ragefire. Aka, 30mins from time of vendor/trigger spawn to the time of engage on the dragon form.

This is to keep guilds from stalling by triggering and then kiting.

Lazortag · #**345** 02-21-2012, 02:35 PM

Occupy Ragefire:

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Autotune · #**346** 02-21-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Craigmandu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Needing "sponsorship" is the problem. As I would expect that people wouldn't "sponsor" any other guilds unless all of their clerics were already epic to ensure that all of theirs got it quicker.

If you come up with a way for people to publicly declare they are capable....that should throw them at the back of the rotation....and allow them to take their shot, with the next in line on hot standby or in attendance at the time in case they don't really have the capability.....

i'd like to think that not all guilds on this rotation are that greedy.

It will be left to a majority vote.
Not a single guild sponsoring another guild.

falkun · #**347** 02-21-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"I would suggest: the new guild will be added to the rotation immediately prior the the guild that permitted them the chance to join, starting on the next cycle assuming they succeed"

I don't like this because it discourages allowing a guild a chance to get in by forfeiting your turn on the rotation.

According to stealin, the established guild would still get the loot from the test ragefire, so you would not lose any ragefires. If you put them at the end of the list, then ib could reform 90% of their guild as new_guild_01, get the next ragefire, gift that to new_guild_02, etc. And div would never get a new epic. Putting the new guild in line with the rotation prevents the cycle from stopping until it has run through another iteration. And you can't put new guild after the established guild because then guilds would use that to push their opponents back. Hurting yourself is the only way to prevent a guild from harming other guilds.

I'm not picking on IB due to reforming, they are just at the end of the list.

Kassel · #**348** 02-21-2012, 02:37 PM

just do 1-1-1-1-1-1-X

Where any new guild would be get a try in its own X slot at the end of the cycle. If they sucseed they join the rotation and it moves to 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-X

The guild that is trying to break in must have their own pearl and wait for the X spot in the rotation, if they kill the target, they get the spoils.

Craigmandu · #**349** 02-21-2012, 02:38 PM

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i'd like to think that not all guilds on this rotation are that greedy.

It will be left to a majority vote.
Not a single guild sponsoring another guild.

You see how it could be difficult to "get in" on that vote though yes????

Either way, any organized system is better than clickfest.

Extunarian · #**350** 02-21-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just do 1-1-1-1-1-1-X

Where any new guild would be get a try in its own X slot at the end of the cycle. If they sucseed they join the rotation and it moves to 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-X

The guild that is trying to break in must have their own pearl and wait for the X spot in the rotation, if they kill the target, they get the spoils.

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