My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[Uaellaen]

None of us wanted camping, we all discussed for HOURS (5?) to figure out a way, to prevent camping, no one of us was able to come up with a fair solution for everyone ... In fact we already anticipated that Fishbait will try to find loopholes in the rules and bend them to theyr needs ... with that in mind, why dont you guys try to make up fair rules all guilds agree on? It took us roughly 5 hours, lets see how many more tries it takes you guys ...

EDIT: and yes, i count this thread here as try 1

[Sslaesha]

Originally Posted by Ayen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1). DA does fine at mobilization. Camping will get us our mobs guaranteed. We need to gear up and this is the quickest way to do it. DA has not been around for log at all. We don't have enough alts to camp out at every raid target.

2). DA did not change any rules. We are using the rules in place to get our mobs, you put in what you get out of this game. Just like all MMO's. I'm sorry IB has been dominating the sever since it has been around and you feel entitled to every mob. It's time to start adapting. Now at the first sign of adversity you bitch and moan.

3). How Do we lose at camping.. were 4/6 raid targets again this week. IB 2.

I'm not flaming anyone about being unemployed. DA has members who are as well. People need to understand whats happening here. Its not like a raid target spawns and the two guilds are scattered all over Norrath. Guilds know when raid targets are due. Its not a secret. People camp out in the zone or a zone away and wait for a text. All were doing is putting 15 in zone so that we can claim first shot to take down the mob. Its the path of least resistance to gearing out a guild.

So call mobilization what you will and keep crying about us camping were doing what we have to and putting in the time to claim our raid targets.

Ayen "Dark Ascension"

1). If DA does fine at mobilization, then why was it their choice to keep camping in place? ''We don't have enough alts to camp out at every raid target''. How can you say this if you got 4/6 raid targets this week? How does a zerg guild ''not have enough alts to camp every raid target''? Your so-called ''camping will get us our mobs guaranteed'' didn't work very well last week. Then you go on to say that ''were 4/6 raid targets again this week''. Why did you write ''again'' when you only got 1 target last week?

2). Yes, you did change the rules. Before DA, IB casually mobilized to each raid target, and had plenty of free time in game. Now we're perma camped to get raid targets, therefore DA changed the rules. This being said, how can you state that ''Mobilization and Camping are the exact same thing''. I'd also like to know why you seem to think IB feels entitled to every raid mob, because I guarantee you that no one from IB ever said ''We're entitled to every raid mob''. Adversity? LOL... You call this adversity? Forcing people to spend their entire day perma camping raid mobs = adversity? Right...

3). ''again'' you barely got 1 raid target last week.

No one is crying about you camping. Stop putting words in my mouth. People are frustrated that camping is the solution to getting raid targets. I would love if you could get your facts straight before you post again on this thread, because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Also, it's not wise to make posts when in every post you make, you contradict yourself.

p.s. I'm pretty sure you flamed us about being unemployed, do you really need me to grab the quote for you?

[wangerinlee]

Ok, I just started here about 4 days so I'm not even close to the point of raiding atm but will be. The biggest turn off I read about this server was the current raid rules. I knew the rules before I started here so If I'm playing I have no one to blame but me. With that being said my 2 cents would be make the raids FFA with absoutly no GM involment. Make petitions over raid bosses reguarding guild be punishable by bans or whatever. When something lacks competition, Winning, losing, thrill of death, thrill of success people are gonna get bored and simply find something that offers it. Bring back a FFA and the only ones who quit will be the whinners and crybabies that want free handouts. The folks who love competition will stick like glue.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fish Bait was NOT at the guild meeting when these rules were determined. That's a fact.

Obviously you were still a noob in Crushbone when that took place and are just trolling up this thread, since you have sour grapes for getting booted out of DA for being an elitist douchebag who couldn't keep his mouth shut and treated people like shit over Ishiva robes of all things.

Im pretty sure you said DA or FB, not just FB you fucking retard. I treat people like shit that deserve to be treated like shit. Im not sour about being "denied" from DA. I was never "booted" as you say. Im pretty sure i removed myself. I am an elitist, because im an elite player, anyone thats played with me can vouch for that....how bout you? still posting anonymous and most likely suck dick at the game

[Sslaesha]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is what we have learned from DA in this thread:

Camping is bad and must be stopped as soon as possible.
Camping is good and it's the best way for DA to get the mobs they deserve.

Camping is exactly the same as scouting, mobilizing and racing.

DA wants what is best for the server.
DA wants what is best for DA.

There's nothing wrong with being unemployed. Some people in DA are unemployed.
Being unemployed is bad. Unemployed people should be ridiculed.

IB is uncivil.
It is not uncivil to make personal attacks or curse at IB.

DA killing things with twice the necessary numbers is not a zerg.
IB killing things with twice the necessary numbers is a zerg.

It is unacceptable for IB to talk shit about DA.
It is perfectly acceptable for DA to talk shit about IB.

Did I miss anything? I learned a few similar things from another source that I'd like to add to these truths:

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

This one caused lulz =)

[G13]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im pretty sure you said DA or FB, not just FB you fucking retard. I treat people like shit that deserve to be treated like shit. Im not sour about being "denied" from DA. I was never "booted" as you say. Im pretty sure i removed myself. I am an elitist, because im an elite player, anyone thats played with me can vouch for that....how bout you? still posting anonymous and most likely suck dick at the game

I said FB. FB was not there, but you wanted to chime in with your trolling and try and make an ignorant cheap shot.

You weren't wanted in DA for treating people like a shit and acting like an elitist douchebag over a pitiful Ishiva robe. You also embarrassed yourself on the forums by not just letting the thread die. Your pitiful self esteem wouldn't allow you to just take the high road and let it go. You had to keep running your stupid fucking mouth for pages and pages making an ass out of yourself. Do everyone a favor and just stay the fuck out of relevant threads where you don't belong you dumb SOB

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said FB. FB was not there, but you wanted to chime in with your trolling and try and make an ignorant cheap shot.

You weren't wanted in DA for treating people like a shit and acting like an elitist douchebag over a pitiful Ishiva robe. You also embarrassed yourself on the forums by not just letting the thread die. Your pitiful self esteem wouldn't allow you to just take the high road and let it go. You had to keep running your stupid fucking mouth for pages and pages making an ass out of yourself. Do everyone a favor and just stay the fuck out of relevant threads where you don't belong you dumb SOB

You mad bro?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said FB. FB was not there, but you wanted to chime in with your trolling and try and make an ignorant cheap shot.

You weren't wanted in DA for treating people like a shit and acting like an elitist douchebag over a pitiful Ishiva robe. You also embarrassed yourself on the forums by not just letting the thread die. Your pitiful self esteem wouldn't allow you to just take the high road and let it go. You had to keep running your stupid fucking mouth for pages and pages making an ass out of yourself. Do everyone a favor and just stay the fuck out of relevant threads where you don't belong you dumb SOB

It's funny he says this while Modus is sitting at our Naggy camp trying to duel our melee then calling them pussies.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said FB. FB was not there, but you wanted to chime in with your trolling and try and make an ignorant cheap shot.

You weren't wanted in DA for treating people like a shit and acting like an elitist douchebag over a pitiful Ishiva robe. You also embarrassed yourself on the forums by not just letting the thread die. Your pitiful self esteem wouldn't allow you to just take the high road and let it go. You had to keep running your stupid fucking mouth for pages and pages making an ass out of yourself. Do everyone a favor and just stay the fuck out of relevant threads where you don't belong you dumb SOB

I guarantee im still wanted in DA, ive had several members ask me to re-app...several, because they know my skill. I didnt embarrass myself the least bit, im not embarrassed by a single thing I do, especially on an Emu server. Embarrassed about internet posts? seriously? you take the interwebs far to serious if youve been embarrassed on the interwebs and your quality posts are far more embarrassing than mine, i at least have the manly hood to post my own name and not sit anonymously spitting shit through my teeth all day like alot of these people on here. I post and I post proud.

BTW

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Notice IB derails the thread trying to play a gotcha game to common sense and logic

For the last time, a game of mobilization has been being played. It's just happening before the mob spawns, not after. There are rules put in place to limit training, kill stealing, ect. called timers and having a set amount of people to claim a spawn. What is the difference between mobilizing before and after a mob spawns? Someone care to clarify?

DA didn't make these rules. DA nor FB was there when these rules were created. They are playing by the rules this server has set forth. Understandably there are people who don't like playing Everquest this way. It's a pretty hardcore grind. So Nizzarr has made a proposal for ideas to change them, keep it competitive, but not complete anarchy.

So either people want to come up with real solutions, or IB can continue to whine and bitch and talk shit about DA. If it was up to me, I'd just let Alawen continue to bitch and complain and the 3 remaining guilds that actually want to discuss ideas civilly can do so. They don't need IB's approval for anything. IB doesn't run the server. Nilbog does, and has asked the community to try and come up with a reasonable raiding environment on the server. He is encouraging civil discussion on the matter. I suggest DA, Divinity, and Remedy get together and try and find a reasonable solution. Obviously IB is having none of it.

fucking retard

[G13]

DA nor FB was there when these rules were created.

What part of DA nor FB being there when the rules were created do you not understand?

The irony has no bounds. The person who co wrote the rules just confirmed a few posts ago that what I say is true. Fish Bait was NOT at that meeting. Neither was DA. What part of that do you not understand genius

I didnt embarrass myself the least bit, im not embarrassed by a single thing I do, especially on an Emu server.

I'm glad you think acting like a total prick over an ishiva robe, and then coming to forums to defend said douchebag act is not embarrassing yourself. Most rational people think otherwise, which is why you were not wanted in DA