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[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Junias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Note that I didn't argue anything he said about FTEing. He's simply making assumptions about leadership and treatment of Hjial without having any real information. Speculating and jumping to conclusions in RNF is not what I'd expect from a respected guilds officers.

Where should these speculations and conclusions occur? Rnf has always been about airing out server problems. You can either post like adults, which raato is or go full retard, which he isn't lol. The whole rnf stigma is silly. nothing disrespectful or demeaning in his statements. he's just trying to understand. I'd rather see transparency and read what officers etc think. Which is why I always laughed at some guilds banning rnf unless on an anon account. It's their way of trying to recruit people who don't know better that they're all shit heads. I don't think his posts will deter a Europa app at all if that's the route you're taking.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or nuke all limits and let the beardiest survive!

So you want a 2nd red server?

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you want a 2nd red server?

I don't know how you came to this conclusion

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you want a 2nd red server?

there are currently -2 players on that server

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aftermath probably didn't have any documented wins from alt-tabbing, which probably explains why they weren't suspended. Always did seem like you could do whatever the fuck you wanted but once it turned into a gain it was open for suspension. I still think both parties should get kicked in the nuts on this one, though.

And it's probably easier to just make a rule that outlines explicitly what is allowed vs what isn't - fuckery emerges from all sorts of unpredictable areas. I'm of the belief the current rule set was pretty clear to not be doing anything other than strafe running with sow and using your one stamina bars worth of jumps. If this wasn't clear to A/A then they're both retarded and should have known better based on what happened after shadow masks and rile jumping - two things not written down, but ruled against the spirit of the rule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EotU_uEquQ4

Nah they won FTEs just like Awakened did using the unclassic ability to click off the screen to lower FPS. Wouldn't happen if we couldn't ALT TAB like you could in classic. Down with the Titanium client, WTB Trilogy client!

But really, you are right. There are a lot of things that go against the spirit of the rules, that guilds do. Mainly because they aren't explicitly banned. And while having crystal clear rules would be lovely, the game is so dynamic with so many nuances it's very difficult to cover every single thing. Though when a ruling like this is made, it should just be added into the stickies raid rules list so anyone who is new or doesn't follow RNF or dig through 2 year old raid petitions can see that it is explicitly prohibited.

This behavior though is pretty difficult to see and police unless you have fraps from the offending player. So while it's great to ban it, I fully expect people to still do it since it's difficult to prove. Just the way some nerds operate. The sickness to acquire Yellow Text at any cost seems to be the only similarity between Red and Blue.

At this point just rotate everything but the top mobs like Vulak, Vyemm, Dozekar, Statue, King Tormax, Phara Dar, ST Golems and ST Dragons (when they put sleeper back down). Just make those mobs FFA to get FTE, no kiting rules or any of that shit, kite if you want. Sit under it with a Gate pot, Mage CotH, poopsock spawn with 90 Nerds. Whatever you want. Casual players can deal without the top pixel mobs and still be happy to raid NToV and other shit.

That should remove most of the fraps worth events except when someone purposefully trains you. Basically the only time staff should get involved anyways.

I thought racing would be an improvement over Magician CoTH. And it slightly is, because Mage CotH FTE is retarded, but it opens up far more grey areas which nerds feel they need to operate in to win pixelage.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EotU_uEquQ4

Nah they won FTEs just like Awakened did using the unclassic ability to click off the screen to lower FPS. Wouldn't happen if we couldn't ALT TAB like you could in classic. Down with the Titanium client, WTB Trilogy client!

But really, you are right. There are a lot of things that go against the spirit of the rules, that guilds do. Mainly because they aren't explicitly banned. And while having crystal clear rules would be lovely, the game is so dynamic with so many nuances it's very difficult to cover every single thing. Though when a ruling like this is made, it should just be added into the stickies raid rules list so anyone who is new or doesn't follow RNF or dig through 2 year old raid petitions can see that it is explicitly prohibited.

This behavior though is pretty difficult to see and police unless you have fraps from the offending player. So while it's great to ban it, I fully expect people to still do it since it's difficult to prove. Just the way some nerds operate. The sickness to acquire Yellow Text at any cost seems to be the only similarity between Red and Blue.

At this point just rotate everything but the top mobs like Vulak, Vyemm, Dozekar, Statue, King Tormax, Phara Dar, ST Golems and ST Dragons (when they put sleeper back down). Just make those mobs FFA to get FTE, no kiting rules or any of that shit, kite if you want. Sit under it with a Gate pot, Mage CotH, poopsock spawn with 90 Nerds. Whatever you want. Casual players can deal without the top pixel mobs and still be happy to raid NToV and other shit.

That should remove most of the fraps worth events except when someone purposefully trains you. Basically the only time staff should get involved anyways.

I thought racing would be an improvement over Magician CoTH. And it slightly is, because Mage CotH FTE is retarded, but it opens up far more grey areas which nerds feel they need to operate in to win pixelage.

Like I said I don't doubt aftermath used it and won too. Another thing to consider are the skype logs showing Detard continuously asking to cease the practice. Breaken, being a shit leader, continued to do this bullshit forcing the fuckery downhill. That probably played a role in aftermath not eating shit on this too.

And I think Verant got into some serious shit with Microsoft over disabling tabbing, didn't they? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Domo]

I still think that high lvl guilds should fight with naked lvl 1 charakters in a arena for a Boss.
Would be more fun for all.

Additional we could say that we have more PVP on blue then on red, which would be a nice bonus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



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[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Additional we could say that we have more PVP on blue then on red, which would be a nice bonus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This might be true already.

[kotton05]

I always thought sirken should of started a post of his own describing each ruling , with the evidence supporting his ruling, that would become a public reference when petitioning / looking to get into the high end raid scene. I mean most court cases are public knowledge after the fact. But then again fuck em big sirks you prolly just don't want that head ache.

[arsenalpow]

It's a bigger headache and shitstorm to deal with it after the fact though.