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[suptoofs]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But more guns would have definitely saved lives, right?

Instead of just plugging our ears and closing our eyes to all of this, maybe we should actually do something like the rest of the civilized world? "It's too hard, people are too stubborn, it's impossible in America"

Nothing worth doing ever came easy.

Queue the right wingers to spew their tired garbage about the 2nd amendment instead of realizing the constitution is a living document that can and has been altered to meet the demands of a changing society.

I am in agreement with you on this about 2nd amendment slingers. The 2nd amendment was created during a time period where single shot muskets were the most commonly used firearm. Modern automatic or even some semi automatic firearms couldn't possibly be considered during that time period.

That amendment should be tailored to meet contemporary times.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by suptoofs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am in agreement with you on this about 2nd amendment slingers. The 2nd amendment was created during a time period where single shot muskets were the most commonly used firearm. Modern automatic or even some semi automatic firearms couldn't possibly be considered during that time period.

That amendment should be tailored to meet contemporary times.

It sounds like you have no idea why the 2nd amendment was created. It's probably the most important thing for our country's identity. I don't think it's a problem with guns when you consider mass shootings just didn't happen until left wing social upheaval started becoming popular in the 60s. That's like banning alcohol or driving because someone cause a death drunk driving one night. It happens and we live with it.

Founding father Thomas Jefferson once said- “What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787. Jefferson was commenting on Shays” Rebellion, an armed uprising in Massachusetts that had been put down earlier that year by organized state militia forces. “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion,” Jefferson remarked. “Let them take arms.”

Head his warning on the importance here. There are some things more important than convenience and safety and that is the freedom Thomas Jefferson was trying to outline there. If you aren't willing to be a tough person and defend your freedom, you really don't deserve it.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like you have no idea why the 2nd amendment was created. It's probably the most important thing for our country's identity. I don't think it's a problem with guns when you consider mass shootings just didn't happen until left wing social upheaval started becoming popular in the 60s. That's like banning alcohol or driving because someone cause a death drunk driving one night. It happens and we live with it.

Founding father Thomas Jefferson once said- “What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787. Jefferson was commenting on Shays” Rebellion, an armed uprising in Massachusetts that had been put down earlier that year by organized state militia forces. “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion,” Jefferson remarked. “Let them take arms.”

Head his warning on the importance here. There are some things more important than convenience and safety and that is the freedom Thomas Jefferson was trying to outline there. If you aren't willing to be a tough person and defend your freedom, you really don't deserve it.

Who are we defending our freedom from? And with what arms? Hunting rifles versus guided missile systems and UAVs?

The second amendment hasn't been relevant since the 19th century.

[Teppler]

It makes it 100x harder for a tyrannical government(which there are no shortage of present day and throughout history) to bully their people. There always has to be that fear in the back of elite politicians mind that there could be the gravest consequences if they don't do their job in serving the people that elected them. Otherwise politicians and government's don't naturally work correctly. They need this check and balance.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It makes it 100x harder for a tyrannical government(which there are no shortage of present day and throughout history) to bully their people. There always has to be that fear in the back of elite politicians mind that there could be the gravest consequences if they don't do their job in serving the people that elected them. Otherwise politicians and government's don't naturally work correctly. They need this check and balance.

There's nothing stopping a modern government, even in the most armed civilizations, from subjugating their populace currently. The unarmed countries are currently living with a higher freedom index and quality of life than the armed ones.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who are we defending our freedom from? And with what arms? Hunting rifles versus guided missile systems and UAVs?

The second amendment hasn't been relevant since the 19th century.

We're talking about a government vs it's own people. What government is sending guided missiles to it's citizens? They go door to door and when you don't know what weapon a person could have, it makes that extremely dangerous. Having an armed population at any level is really valuable.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's nothing stopping a modern government, even in the most armed civilizations, from subjugating their populace currently. The unarmed countries are currently living with a higher freedom index and quality of life than the armed ones.

Most unarmed countries are abusive to their citizens and don't contain large amount of freedumz. Look at free speech laws in the UK. They don't have free speech.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

freedumz

Are you twelve years old? Just spell the word like a non-brainwashed person.

[Teppler]

Most the unarmed countries feniin is referring to also don't live on the border of a cartel war zone either where criminal fire arms are smuggled through at mass levels regularly. You take our guns away, cartels still are importing the strongest stuff to criminals.

Feniin is pointing out lack of crime in places like France and Germany. Look up who their neighbors are compared to ours.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most unarmed countries are abusive to their citizens and don't contain large amount of freedumz. Look at free speech laws in the UK. They don't have free speech.

Hate Speech is illegal the UK. Sounds like a good law.