Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm offering TMO an opportunity here to appease the "haters" right now (as opposed to a possible delivery from the staff, which may or may not come). Yet TMO is the only side to not answer or even discuss the request at all. I am asking this from your directly, is sharing a tiny bit still asking too much from TMO (I'll remind you FE answered me long ago already like gentlemen and gave me grounds to base discussions on)?

I would like to offer divnity an opportunity here to show up at the next trakanon and compete. BDA, Taken, etc are invited also.

[Fountree]

FTE and 1 minute kills won't be as a big of an issue in Velious with 300khp+ mobs remember. And you need to contact our leadership for an answer to that I didn't come here to talk publicly on these boards about specifics, just to speak on Kagatob's post.

[xarzzardorn]

My suggestion would be to spend a couple hours doing juggs during Trakanon's early window in prime time (his window is common knowledge on p1999) with your raid force. If Trakanon spawns you will have a clean shot before TMO/FE unless you completely drop the ball

[finalgrunt]

I would like to offer divnity an opportunity here to show up at the next trakanon and compete. BDA, Taken, etc are invited also.

If we wanted to compete the way you do, we would have certainly joined either TMO or FE.

My suggestion would be to spend a couple hours doing juggs during Trakanon's early window in prime time (his window is common knowledge on p1999) with your raid force. If Trakanon spawns you will have a clean shot before TMO/FE unless you completely drop the ball

You're suggesting a guild to keep clearing close to a raid target (a.k.a poop socking) for few hours randomly, in hope the target pops and doesn't actually aggro and wipe the said guild? And that's if the top guilds don't decide to join the poop sock session, just in case? (We know they would do it, as proven in the past). No, we really need a 2nd league short window where we can compete reasonably.

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTE and 1 minute kills won't be as a big of an issue in Velious with 300khp+ mobs remember. And you need to contact our leadership for an answer to that I didn't come here to talk publicly on these boards about specifics, just to speak on Kagatob's post.

I did contact your leaders. But I haven't heard from them. At all.

[slappytwotoes]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to offer divnity an opportunity here to show up at the next trakanon and compete. BDA, Taken, etc are invited also.

There's the answer ^^^^^^^

We can end this 40 page thread now.

Compete with TMO/FE or wait for simulated patch day server repops where smaller guilds can pick off low-priority targets.

[Kieu]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't want to experience 3 am batphones no race 1 minute kills / trains / FTE sheningans. We want to experience classic EQ. And the only way would to be give smaller guilds a small window to do it. Which means you will continue to experience your non classic cuthroat competition (it goes well beyond, and we acknowledge your efforts) most of the time on non priority targets, and full times for others.

And you didn't really answer my question. Is this still too much to ask from a guild which had a free run for a year at the targets? Or is this all about pure greed? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure ive had those 3am batphones in classic, it happens. So was FTE, you never could just go in with another guild and try to ks the mob while they were engaged. If they wiped however, you were free to attempt. I'm not really sure what game you were playing, wasn't EQ. Join a raiding guild if you want it badly enough, or get yours to that stage. People always want what they can't have or get... lol, and when this happens they whine about it. cycle of life.

As for

Originally Posted by Finalgrunt

You're suggesting a guild to keep clearing close to a raid target (a.k.a poop socking) for few hours randomly, in hope the target pops and doesn't actually aggro and wipe the said guild? And that's if the top guilds don't decide to join the poop sock session, just in case? (We know they would do it, as proven in the past). No, we really need a 2nd league short window where we can compete reasonably.

This is everquest, you camp things.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Kieu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure ive had those 3am batphones in classic, it happens. So was FTE, you never could just go in with another guild and try to ks the mob while they were engaged. If they wiped however, you were free to attempt. I'm not really sure what game you were playing, wasn't EQ. Join a raiding guild if you want it badly enough, or get yours to that stage. People always want what they can't have or get... lol, and when this happens they whine about it. cycle of life.

As for

This is everquest, you camp things.

Sorry, but you do sound new here. Variance is not classic. It was added here to try to fix non classic involvment. Non classic raid scene means non classic EQ. Pretty much like duct tape, FTE disputes and David Copperfielding (and so much more that I won't discuss here). It's how the raid scene is, and it's here to stay. Ok fine. But don't talk about classic EQ if you don't know how both worked on Live and here.
Without the variance, I'm pretty sure small guilds would camp such things, since FTE rule would give everybody a chance to get it.
Smaller guild doesn't mean players who don't want to raid, or put some efforts. Far from it. It just means not ready to go to lengths some are willing to go. The request, is a favor to give us a chance to raid like it was on Live (at least for many servers), which was much more reasonable.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Variance is not classic.

I think this is really the root of the whole manner. The raiding scene had too many players, so Rogean intentionally upped the barrier to entry. The fix worked exactly as intended: 2/3 of the high-level players threw up in their mouths a little and walked away from the raid scene in disgust. Our constant irritation with this non-classic content overflows every month or two into another 'the raid-scene is broken thread'. At that point Sirken and various players from high-end guilds come in and says 'well, these guys don't mind getting up at 3 am/leaving the dinner table/joining a guild with 150 players in order to play our perverted version of classic everquest, why don't you do it too? You just want handouts!'

TL;DR: Since when is wanting classic everquest variances a handout? The people who want to maintain the current system that massively favors them are the ones that want handouts IMO

[Macarena]

I request from TMO permission for first try at the next VS with my mid range level raid guild. We have a level 25 shadowknight who will do the tanking and hopefully we can get our 2 level 19 shamans on a heal rotation (if they log in). Also please allow us two to three days to mobilize

[Fael]

I havent read this entire thread. However, i will say to the divinity people asking that they need to just chill. An answer to this type of question isnt going to be immediate. Given our discussion of this topic among the guild members and leaders, I am sure TMO leadership will contact you about it soon enough.

One sure way to get denied is to prematurely rant about what you think the answer is before it has been given. That is an easy way to change peoples minds (it already has for a few people)and create bad will. Just relax, keep working on it--i would guess that the majority of people in FE and TMO want to give divinity/taken/and others opportunity to compete to kill trak every now and then.

Dolic