The official RMTer Goodbye P1999 Thread

[Fael]

1. They also have been known to make ex post facto rulings, often with suspensions involved. I'm sure they probably borrowed whatever you are referring to from the same place. I get it. Might makes right. I can accept that, but to call it fair and rooted in law is Michael Jackson ignorant.

2. I'm not critiquing the staff here. I can understand that they have little time to deal with these types of investigations. But when they blanket ban people involved in transactions with "known" rmters, you can be rest assured that many innocent people got associated with it. This of course was by design. They then took petitions from people to settle whether or not they were in fact not guilty of anything. There are some people however that have had a hard time providing an explanation of what was traded and for how much, etc, for trades that happened months ago. Naturally I assume it was their fault for not keeping detailed logs of every purchase, one instance I know of involves a meager 4,000. It's absurd.

Dolic

[Krosus]

Must say I played from October odd to January and loved it and yeh I 'cut corners' to try and catch up some friends who had more time on their hands than me due to work and kids. I won't bemoan the loss of $20 for an Ikky Tunic and some plat I spent as I had some real fun, nostalgic time warp shit but ultimately time was too much of an issue for me to progress.
Stay safe folks and have fun in Velious if it ever materialises because that was the the Xpac that really turned me hardcore in the day, 6 nights a week raiding and factioning.

[Fael]

Bazia you haven't a clue what your talking about.

1. It is not a crime unless you should have known. Willfull blindness, etc.

2. UCC entrustment in many situations gives a bona Fide purchaser for value superior title notwithstanding the validity of the trade.

Mens rea is required for almost any crime. I'm so sick of stupid dumb $&@/s who are quick to support the banning of an innocent person who is only guilty by association. It's not much different than the paki mentality that would justify charging a Todler with murder.

Dolic

[Stonecrush]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bazia you haven't a clue what your talking about.

1. It is not a crime unless you should have known. Willfull blindness, etc.

2. UCC entrustment in many situations gives a bona Fide purchaser for value superior title notwithstanding the validity of the trade.

Mens rea is required for almost any crime. I'm so sick of stupid dumb $&@/s who are quick to support the banning of an innocent person who is only guilty by association. It's not much different than the paki mentality that would justify charging a Todler with murder.

Dolic

Someone just got schooled in the art of law. Oh Snap!

[Duckwalk]

Bona Fide Purchasers require lack of notice. How much you want to bet the majority of exchanges were along the lines of:

Allegedly innocent powerlvler says, "Meet me at EC tunnel"

Obvious RMT replies, " what is EC tunnel? Did you mail me my gear, where is mailbox? Someone stole my hearthstone, how do I get to you?"

[deadlycupcakez]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. They also have been known to make ex post facto rulings, often with suspensions involved. I'm sure they probably borrowed whatever you are referring to from the same place. I get it. Might makes right. I can accept that, but to call it fair and rooted in law is Michael Jackson ignorant.

2. I'm not critiquing the staff here. I can understand that they have little time to deal with these types of investigations. But when they blanket ban people involved in transactions with "known" rmters, you can be rest assured that many innocent people got associated with it. This of course was by design. They then took petitions from people to settle whether or not they were in fact not guilty of anything. There are some people however that have had a hard time providing an explanation of what was traded and for how much, etc, for trades that happened months ago. Naturally I assume it was their fault for not keeping detailed logs of every purchase, one instance I know of involves a meager 4,000. It's absurd.

Dolic

banned people were those that paid RL $$$ for IG items or pps. Not people who traded in game to in game.

[tizznyres]

Just wanted to pop back in and say: Get fucked, RMT fuckers.

[odiecat99]

Originally Posted by tizznyres [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just wanted to pop back in and say: Get fucked, RMT fuckers.

agree

[Smalls]

I'm going to petition to make RMT allowed on this server. Those of who have money should be allowed to P2W, to buy our way to victory, instead of having to work tooth and nail for peanuts like the rest of the common filth.

The posh shouldn't have to suffer for this.

[Silentsong]

Originally Posted by Smalls [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to petition to make RMT allowed on this server. Those of who have money should be allowed to P2W, to buy our way to victory, instead of having to work tooth and nail for peanuts like the rest of the common filth.

The posh shouldn't have to suffer for this.

ROFL