Our neighbor Detoxx, or is it, Mr. Toxxic?

[Sloshed]

Originally Posted by teija [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should of taken the Vulak loot bro, slamming us with another ban where Sirken said this was not a "raid infraction" for whatever fucking reason and only suspended 4 of your members for repeat offenses instead of your guild would be the largest double standard ruling ever made on this server, as I said previously.

Just cause you keep repeating something doesn't mean it is true.

[Argh]

Raid scene is almost too healthy.

[Rang]

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[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid scene is almost too healthy.

C U REAL SOON AT WTOV KIDDO

[Castigate]

Originally Posted by teija [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should of taken the Vulak loot bro, slamming us with another ban where Sirken said this was not a "raid infraction" for whatever fucking reason and only suspended 4 of your members for repeat offenses instead of your guild would be the largest double standard ruling ever made on this server, as I said previously.

When you put it that way you do realize that you make it sound like this is now something that your guild considers a valid tactic at the cost of individual bans and may in fact have been done intentionally in this specific case, right?

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Papa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow page 22

Awakened shenanigans and spin machine, ya'll

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Buriedpast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reboot server, single account rule/acct tied to IP. 2 toons per account.

This is quite sensible, though people would still have multiple accounts. It'd be better to use some sort of Bayesian fingerprinting of UI's through the DLL to identify individual players, since people probably arrange their UI's, macros and spellbooks similarly across characters and machines.

[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is tough because the competition is what's fun, but it's also extremely rare for one hardcore guild to kill the other one. It's a toss up.

P99 isn't like classic though. On Live you had actual targets for the competition, i.e. the next expansion. Here the only reward is claiming you have the best toys in an ever more crowded sandbox where it is getting harder and harder to ignore the fact the sand isn't sand anymore but foul smelling feces.

When all that's left is bitter and petty competition no wonder the end game is pure cancer.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of what decisions were made by AW in the "ample time" that AM uploaded a fraps video and started harassing and threatening AW leadership, two things are very, very clear when the dust settled and the smoke cleared:

1. AW was willing to negotiate and give AM the benefit of the doubt while the petitions were reviewed. Loot was offered from Vulak. Even the loot that was already looted was offered up via petition to have it moved to AM player. Detoxx declined. The next morning, the offer increased to include future Vulaks. Detoxx declined. It is very apparent that AW made multiple attempts to rectify this situation in a civil and timely manner without burdening the GMs with LawyerQuest yet again.
2. AM (Detoxx) was not willing to negotiate or sort this out at all. By all accounts of his actions, it is clear that once the mob was killed he had every intention of seeking a raid ban. The loot was absolute shit, and yet the loot and 2 Vulaks were offered, and he declined. So if its really about your dragon with shit loot getting cheated from you, why not take 3 dragons worth of loot? It makes no sense from a logical point of view, unless you start from the premise that he is seeking another raid ban on AW.

The horde of AM trolls in here deflecting from these very clear facts are just noise. Notice how they shift the argument to things like: "Well I wonder if you would have offered the loot if it was X,Y,Z" and "Well last time you asked us for THREE Vulaks and now you're only offering TWO!!!" and "AW will do ANYTHING for a Vulak kill" (even though AW offered you 2 uncontested Vulaks??)

They are shifting the conversation to past disputes, hypotheticals, and assumptions that defy all logic. At the end of the entire situation, what happened? You got offered 3 dragons worth of loot. What did you do? You declined. Case closed.

For server staff, the verdict is pretty clear: if AM really had a grievance and wanted recompense, why did AM not take the recompense or counter-offer? AM must not really want what they are pretending to want. Pretty simple really, the loot was shit so you'd rather take your chances trying to get AW a 40-day ban and having 4-5 Vulaks uncontested versus AW's offer of 2.

1. Wrong. You decided to give up half the loot after seeing it was shit. You then assumed GMs would move an item to someone who wasn't on the encounter log, which they will not do and this was only after my raid force logged off.

2. I was and am still willing to work it out but, as I said to Eratani, it's going to take more than 2 Vulaks and a half hearted attempt to give us half the loot. This was met with cussing, raging, and being blocked. I told him to message me if he wants to work it out. No such message has been sent.

3. It is my right and within the rules to refuse a concession just as your leadership has done to me o nearly every occasion. Want to know something funny? We pulled in a Vulak a while back and were sent fraps of something we did wrong. We dropped that Vulak and conceded it. Breaken then petitioned us for training you guys. He did the same thing over a Dozekar we dropped to concede yet I'm supposed to just forget that and "move on"?

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Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Wrong. You decided to give up half the loot after seeing it was shit. You then assumed GMs would move an item to someone who wasn't on the encounter log, which they will not do and this was only after my raid force logged off.

2. I was and am still willing to work it out but, as I said to Eratani, it's going to take more than 2 Vulaks and a half hearted attempt to give us half the loot. This was met with cussing, raging, and being blocked. I told him to message me if he wants to work it out. No such message has been sent.

3. It is my right and within the rules to refuse a concession just as your leadership has done to me o nearly every occasion. Want to know something funny? We pulled in a Vulak a while back and were sent fraps of something we did wrong. We dropped that Vulak and conceded it. Breaken then petitioned us for training you guys. He did the same thing over a Dozekar we dropped to concede yet I'm supposed to just forget that and "move on"?

Your assumptions are all crap and this is a fake attempt to have real dialogue. It's just you pushing your version of events on a public forum...