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[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great time for warhammer too! Herohammer, Gorkamorka and Mordheim!

Great company, doesn't run on a debt based model. Owns it's industrial complex and equipment instead of renting.

Only rents is high street presence iirc.

I goto Bugmans for beer and a burger on occasion with the kids [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Nice and close to town.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jim every position I see you take is supporting the banker elites. I literally don’t see you take any other positions ever. You go into these long rants trying to justify your positions but they fall flat. I’ve caught you in many times spinning the truth. And guess which side you are always lobbying for. Not just me but that other uk poster in the brexit thread constantly corrects your establishment left spin as well. You’re a spin doctor Jim.

Lol I keep my wealth out of the banks and myself free of debt. I probably am functionally less pro banks than you are.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Hoppkins_Wytchfinder [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I goto Bugmans for beer and a burger on occasion with the kids [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Nice and close to town.

I do the occasional evening shift on the bar and play a lot in the gaming hall, we've probably met IRL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

New menu started this week btw, bugmans burger is now double patty.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Yes we have likely at least seen each other. Not played there for a while since having kids but i do take the kids to bugmans and to see the gaming hall/museum etc.

My issue (not to get too off topic) is i bought an Imperial Guard army and now its just too much hassle to play it. Need a much smaller army (but dont have the cash to buy one)

So im stuck with an army with over 100 men and tanks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe i can just get those trays to move them enmasse and pretend its WW1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimjam]

Trays help. As an ork player i can msu a brigade with kans/coptas/chars, mount my troops in transport to avoid deploying/moving and use the stompa as a points sink. Sadly i don't think IG get open topped transports so their troops suffer (and they'd lose the auras/buffs they rely on).

Cast my vote, didn't need ID. Wife couldn't vote in general elections as not a citizen.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Went at 7:20am. Not a person around hehe.

Deal, gonna get some trays. My daughter is old enough to learn now anyway.

[Jimjam]

Trays could be awesome for IG. Could model them to look like dug ins or trenches!

I hate to kick the Brexit can further down the road by saying 'lets have a third leader negotiate a Brexit plan, then put the options up for a final decision', but as a Labour member I least distrust(!) Corbin to throw the people under the bus, and as a career eurosceptic I expect him to actually make a genuine go of it. People's Brexit if you will. Then let people decided if that is what they voted for 3 years ago to ensure his plans authenticity.

The election is also bigger than Brexit. There is a training/recruitment/retention emergency in the NHS. Getting workers back to health so they are profitable worker again is so important (both to the worker and more widely). I can't believe the Tories 50,000 promise after years of austerity so again I side with Labour.

Lastly we have a housing crisis that the free market has been unable to solve. We thought if government stopped building social housing the corporations would step in to do so profitably but they haven't.

As such the government is the only one with the power to do something, and Labour seem the only ones with the inclination to use that power.
I've worked with homelessness and vulnerably homed. Turning someone from a drain to society into a functioning profitable worker has a great pay off for them, society and the economy.

Beyond providing housing there needs to be better support in training basic life skills; arranging budgets, bills, other home economic isssues to help give a step up. Otherwise the formerly homeless stay vulnerable to homelessness again.

Brexit for the people ratified by the people.
Investment (not spending) into health workers.
Housing solutions that allow people to be happily part of society and the economy.

Conservatives campaign promises this but after 10 years of cuts I can't believe it. The Libdems want to undemocratically scrap Brexit. Any other party is too single issue to vote for. The only remaining option is Labour.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Agreed. People didnt understand 3 years ago what they were voting for largely imo.

Some did? Fine, they will vote the same no doubt. Those that want to change their mind can. Thats democracy.

Lets not forget Grenfield and Windrush. Disgsuting behaviour from Tories around those.

[Jimjam]

The sad thing, from my language - extracting profit from workers / benefiting the economy - I feel like a natural Conservative voter, and if BJ hadn't kicked Ken Clarke out the party maybe I would have voted that way, but the current lot in the party are simply not conservatives in the tradition sense. I mean besides Ken Clark and perhaps Rory Stewart who were there? Oligarch stooges and money launderers. Capitalism hasn't been so corrupt since the East India Trading company hanging field workers for famine.

Edit: so I guess I'm saying if i can't vote for small government I will at least vote for one that invests its spending instead of laundering public money to private companies.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

If John Major is saying they are corrupt. It's a pretty big indicator. He wasn't the best but he seemed to have principles.