Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I havent read this entire thread. However, i will say to the divinity people asking that they need to just chill. An answer to this type of question isnt going to be immediate. Given our discussion of this topic among the guild members and leaders, I am sure TMO leadership will contact you about it soon enough.

One sure way to get denied is to prematurely rant about what you think the answer is before it has been given. That is an easy way to change peoples minds (it already has for a few people)and create bad will. Just relax, keep working on it--i would guess that the majority of people in FE and TMO want to give divinity/taken/and others opportunity to compete to kill trak every now and then.

Dolic

I agree with this. However a simple "we're discussing it" would be a good start for an answer. We're in the good manners kind of actions atm don't you think too? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Smaller guild doesn't mean players who don't want to raid, or put some efforts. Far from it. It just means not ready to go to lengths some are willing to go.

While I agree with your statement here, I did mention before going to SOME level of effort should be paramount as part of your planning. I'm not blasting your comment, or saying smaller guilds aren't allowed to raid, but the only things I have seen anyone talk about related to the level of effort the smaller guilds plan to go to is to race each other. I have not seen the proposals that you're willing to track a mob from 5-9 pm on weeknights, or anything of that sort.

Simply racing for a mob when you find out it happened to pop with the smaller guilds is not what I would consider to be a level of effort. Keep in mind when i say this, that the larger guilds may have then known mob X was up for 2 days before anyone in these smaller guilds happened to notice it based on the above.

Are the larger guilds then going to wait 2 days until someone in Div / Taken / BDA / GuildX notice the mob? Not likely. So then the other question arises, does LargeGuild announce to someone in Taken that mob X has spawned? Which guild do they notify? Do they play favorites? This amounts to the large guild then tracking FOR the small guild, with zero return on time investment.

This needs to be taken into consideration when this is all fleshed out.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At that point Sirken and various players from high-end guilds come in and says 'well, these guys don't mind getting up at 3 am/leaving the dinner table/joining a guild with 150 players in order to play our perverted version of classic everquest, why don't you do it too? You just want handouts!'

this.

[feanan]

Yeah, they'll be happy to let you have a shot at trak...when velious is out

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or is this all about pure greed?

Yes.

[Woahnelly]

If you guys actually read the thread, you will realize that nobody is asking for a handout. Second tier guilds are asking for competition among themselves. they are all willing to track and kill. They just don't want to have to track a mob, assemble within a half hour, and find that TMO already has a larger raid force there because they had an army of lvl 60 alts camped at the mob. For the hundredth time, you over-sized children, this is an EMULATED 13 year old game! Share your toys!

[Thulack]

Better way to put my post:The people in charge believe that you should have to do what is needed at all costs to get raid targets. If you don't like that then to bad. That is really what everyone is being told here. Personally i think its to get back at people. The dev's, Gm's, guides waste their free time doing this project so everyone else should waste their free time too.

[oldschooltrader]

For every story like this :

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=103426

There are 10X as many :

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=101136

What once was started as a breath of fresh air, wonderment, and nostalgia has turned into a Costco version of EQ. Everything is bigger here; the bankrolls, the number of max lvl toons one owns and the egos. It will b hard to reverse Costco the server bc lets face it Costco is a successful business bc it puts in alot of effort. Some people have been here over 3 years, and possibly now they r getting a taste of that insatiable appettite of "winning EQ", which is something not easily given up once obtained. Sadly Velious should open up Kunark table scraps for others but whats the point of that?

If the raid scene had one more poopsocking intense guild then 3 would b a crowd for both FE n TMO so that eventually something would get changed but with such big rosters those guilds have its hard to create this 3rd guild as most would rather wait in thier soup lines in the zerg. Both sides make valid points, one hand the big guys invite others to try to compete w them while the small guys just view it as a waste of time.

Rotations work, there is no refuting this, the problem is who decides who is in this rotation and how do prove you are worthy of rotating X mob. No easy solution here but if u have enjoyed playing here for even one week id say the goal of the Project has been met, the rest is up to the community how Norrath should b as keeping the spirit of EQ should b a big part of this game. Hopefully there will contine to b more posts like my first link than the second.

[quido]

P99 as we know it will never really be like the classic you remember. Back then there was 12(?) servers of varying density in the raid scene - people could switch servers to find a place that suited their style of play. Here we have a single PvE server. The timeline has been drawn out painfully long, and that alone has already made this place different enough to not even fully try to salvage it. Wait for the next iteration of P99, hopefully a classic eq progression server with less bugs, exploits, cheats, and a proper timeline. Sitting here trying to turn this place into something it already isn't and never will be is stupid.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 as we know it will never really be like the classic you remember. Back then there was 12(?) servers of varying density in the raid scene - people could switch servers to find a place that suited their style of play. Here we have a single PvE server. The timeline has been drawn out painfully long, and that alone has already made this place different enough to not even fully try to salvage it. Wait for the next iteration of P99, hopefully a classic eq progression server with less bugs, exploits, cheats, and a proper timeline. Sitting here trying to turn this place into something it already isn't and never will be is stupid.

And yet, if TMO accepts to share a small part of their overfarmed raid targets with the rest of the server, it would become possible. I wouldn't call that stupid. FE already agreed to this to some extent. I don't see why your guild which had free reigns for more than a year on said targets couldn't do the same.