Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Eliseus]

Gays are also fucking idiots, if you want to sleep with the same sex, just say that is what you want to do, don't bring up illogical invalid arguments to try and validate wanting to fuck the same sex.

[iruinedyourday]

I thought rnf on p99 was going to give me the answers to life's greatest mystery. Isn't that why you guys started playing classic Eq too? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tasslehofp99]

this thread should just be deleted from p99 forums forever

[fadetree]

Atheists and true believers are exactly the same. The only sensible position from an evidence standpoint is agnosticism.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only sensible position from an evidence standpoint is agnosticism.

truth

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atheists and true believers are exactly the same. The only sensible position from an evidence standpoint is agnosticism.

Depends on several factors. Is your only goal in philosophy to acquire empirical, physical evidence? Are you receptive to intuition or religious experiences as informing your view of material existence? Evidence is a funny thing-- not always static, and of course, by its very nature must be subjected to prejudicial, flawed human inferences and analysis.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on several factors. Is your only goal in philosophy to acquire empirical, physical evidence? Are you receptive to intuition or religious experiences as informing your view of material existence? Evidence is a funny thing-- not always static, and of course, by its very nature must be subjected to prejudicial, flawed human inferences and analysis.

To answer what I think your question is, yes, 'evidence' means empirical scientific evidence.

Atheist = absolutely denies the existence of a God. No evidence in play. Note that lack of positive evidence is not negative evidence.

True believer = absolutely confirms the existence of a God. Also no evidence in play.

Neither side is aware that they are identical in making unsupported absolute claims.

As a side note, if your goal is to acquire evidence, then you are engaged in science, not philosophy.

I am a christian. Why? Because I want to be. I don't like the world if christianity isn't true. Do I need proof? Nope.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am a christian. Why? Because I want to be. I don't like the world if christianity isn't true. Do I need proof? Nope.

absolutely not being an asshole here, but whats your reason for holding that belief? is it a fear of death and an inability to cope with possible non existence? is it the comfort of believing that your life is in another's hands, allowing you to not worry as much about what happens? i dont understand why you wouldnt like the world if christianity isnt the right religion. all that means is that god is responsible for all the terrible shit in reality.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a side note, if your goal is to acquire evidence, then you are engaged in science, not philosophy.

That's kind of the point. People who demand physical evidence for metaphysical inquiries are missing the point entirely. As a subjective experiencer of physical reality, you necessarily cannot objectively observe it, contrary to what many materialists believe. You can't be neutral on a moving train. Demanding physical evidence for the existence of God is like demanding physical evidence that you exist. Inferences and intuitive knowledge are an entirely different beast.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's kind of the point. People who demand physical evidence for metaphysical inquiries are missing the point entirely. As a subjective experiencer of physical reality, you necessarily cannot objectively observe it, contrary to what many materialists believe. You can't be neutral on a moving train. Demanding physical evidence for the existence of God is like demanding physical evidence that you exist. Inferences and intuitive knowledge are an entirely different beast.

Yes, I agree with you. The whole idea that you could, even in principle, prove or disprove the existence of God is silly. Thats why I said agnosticism is the only reasonable standpoint.