Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't need in depth analysis you fucking twat.

See? For all we know Toxigen just randomly says stuff, hopes it's correct, and then attacks everybody to make it seem like he is correct. He certainly does the attacking part, and he has been wrong in the past.

He needs to back up his claims with more than insults if people are going to take him seriously. This is especially true since he is a confirmed troll now. Just look at his signature.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and he has been wrong in the past.

wrong again my beautiful sperg

[Trexller]

i do remember back in the day that folks did have ench tank aow just for funs

but that would have also been luclin era

[fortior]

I still think that assuming the presence/utility of another class by just saying you’re pocketing them is not following the spirit of the question. If you can pocket rez or coth you can pocket TL or malo too, the most objective thing would be to limit your available tools to exclusively the classes you picked

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think that assuming the presence/utility of another class by just saying you’re pocketing them is not following the spirit of the question. If you can pocket rez or coth you can pocket TL or malo too, the most objective thing would be to limit your available tools to exclusively the classes you picked

I am just looking at the reality of P99. Plenty of pocket Clerics, Mages, Druids, and Wizards already exist. Making guild bots has been a thing for many years.

Clerics, Mages, Druids, and Wizards can provide most of their major utility before level 60 and without expensive gear/spells.

There aren't a lot of new people coming to the server either, so unless some random asshole deletes a guild bot, these pocket characters aren't going anywhere.

The most powerful four player caster groups are already powerful enough to steamroll the content they are fighting all the way up to 60. Having an arbitrary rule about no pocket characters isn't going to make your experience challenging in any way.

If you want a challenging group, you wouldn't be picking four strong casters.

OP has also never specifically stated they were against pocket characters, nor was it in either his original post or the title of the thread. It's fair game.

[fortior]

Well it’s just not really creative to look at it this way. Instead of following the restrictions you just add in more classes and handwave it away with Air Bud tier reasoning.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well it’s just not really creative to look at it this way. Instead of following the restrictions you just add in more classes and handwave it away with Air Bud tier reasoning.

Can you point to where OP says "No pocket characters?". It's not in the title of the thread, the initial post, or any of the replies OP gave.

I don't think you have the right to make up a restriction and enforce it as if it were part of OP's question.

That would be like saying " There is a restriction of no charming allowed while playing". OP never said this, but for some reason you want this as a restriction, so you just tell people it is a restriction of this thread.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you point to where OP says "No pocket characters?". It's not in the title of the thread, the initial post, or any of the replies OP gave.

I don't think you have the right to make up a restriction and enforce it as if it were part of OP's question.

That would be like saying " There is a restriction of no charming allowed while playing". OP never said this, but for some reason you want this as a restriction, so you just tell people it is a restriction of this thread.

The spirit of the question DEMANDS that you only respond with FOUR classes. That is the entire purpose of the discussion; that limitation is the only reason there is any debate whatsoever. Otherwise there are no limitations, and we should then assume that all four players in the theoretical group have access to full accounts of alts and guildmates to help them in whatever situation they face. In that case, there is nothing to even talk about, because it doesn't matter what they play. They could have a group of four Rogues, and as soon as they ran into some difficulty, they could swap in literally any other configuration of classes. The entire question then becomes moot.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The spirit of the question DEMANDS that you only respond with FOUR classes. That is the entire purpose of the discussion; that limitation is the only reason there is any debate whatsoever. Otherwise there are no limitations, and we should then assume that all four players in the theoretical group have access to full accounts of alts and guildmates to help them in whatever situation they face. In that case, there is nothing to even talk about, because it doesn't matter what they play. They could have a group of four Rogues, and as soon as they ran into some difficulty, they could swap in literally any other configuration of classes. The entire question then becomes moot.

You are not the ultimate authority on this thread, and thus have no power to assume such restrictions. This is just your opinion on the matter. OP has replied to this thread multiple times, and hasn't banned pocket characters yet.

A group of four individual players with four primary characters that are casters/priests are the only restrictions thus far. These are the limitations, which I have been working in. The four primary characters get most of the loot, and are leveled to 60 with full spellbooks. This is not the case with pocket characters.

Your idea that pocket characters are the same as regular characters is nonsense. Pocket characters are not usually level 60 raid geared toons with full spell books. They are hastily leveled non 60 characters that are minimally geared to supply the group with some necessities when the occasion is called for. Reses, CHing, and CoTHs should be rarely needed, which is why it is a waste to level a Mage to 60 just for the occasional CoTH. It's easier to stop at level 55 and just move the Mage around occasionally. The Cleric only needs to be level 49 to have access to 90% Res and CH. You don't need to get them an epic for the extra 6% res. A group of four casters shouldn't be dying often.

If someone wants to powergame by creating the best group they can, there is no reason to assume they cannot have pocket characters. Plenty of people do it already.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think that assuming the presence/utility of another class by just saying you’re pocketing them is not following the spirit of the question. If you can pocket rez or coth you can pocket TL or malo too, the most objective thing would be to limit your available tools to exclusively the classes you picked

I agree. I think the question gets a lot less interesting when you assume you have other classes in your pocket. It's certainly valid to interpret the question in that manner, I just think it's a less interesting question when you have fewer constraints.