Upcoming change to class epics

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But they aren't and they won't be. You do bring up a good point about power leveling, which is another festering, cancerous sore on P99.
I can not wait until Chardok RMT Inc. gets shut down.

Won't go into the ballistics, but will hit a few points on why this is moot now. Chardok RMT, as you call it, is shut down. The only way it was lucrative was abusing the cross-server transfer ratios and leveraging millions of plat back and forth. Not being able to perform leverage trades is the difference between a Mid-level IT paycheck, and a burger-flipping paycheck. Burger flipping doesn't pay bills.

You might say well how would leverage trading cross-server even confer such big gains? Its not/was not done simply with just platinum, the final stage would have been with items cross-server for plat. Theres four to five stages to a leverage trade, and it starts with a cross-server platinum trade, purchases of major in-demand marquee items are made, etc etc.

They're done. It will take time, but Rogean just kicked the shit out of the most lucrative RMT scheme ever when he closed cross-server trades.

Good luck continuing cross-server trading quietly now that every one-sided trade is officially a bannable offense without recourse. And "I was transfering from red" doesn't work anymore as a get out of jail card for these scumbags.

[ergo]

Originally Posted by JDFriend99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't one of the brightest retorts ive ever set eyes upon.

Making every epic a 46+ questline to equip the item rewarded is damn good. You cannot go and compare a drop item bought in EC with an item quested that is designed to be best in slot. Please rethinj these arguments...

Actually I can. The point was - epics should be nerfed because you cant use the effect on them before 46.

You cannot use the effect of proc weapons for the same reason. It is not designed to work before that level, so clearly the item is, by design, not for anyone under that level, if you use the same reasoning given above.

I am sorry you failed to see this. It does not matter how the item is obtained, if the item does not work before X level, then it shouldn't be equiped, if you use the same reasoning.

I am simply applying her logic and reason to other items based on the identical criteria.

[Seltius]

WTB pwrlvl for Ranger from 30-46 pst in game!

[Ennewi]

1. Denial — The first reaction is denial. "Not classic." In this stage players believe the announced changes are somehow unjust, and cling to a false, preferable reality.

2. Anger — When players recognize that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals / Haynar. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"

3. Bargaining — The third stage involves the hope that players can avoid upcoming changes by providing evidence to support their claims. Players facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.

4. Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I miss my beloved luclin models/color target window, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, players become saddened by the mathematical probability of patch notes. In this state, these individuals may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time afk, mournful and sullen.

5. Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it."; "It's their server."
In this last stage, players embrace the inevitable future of the server which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the player, and a stable condition of emotions.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Denial — The first reaction is denial. "Not classic." In this stage players believe the announced changes are somehow unjust, and cling to a false, preferable reality.

2. Anger — When players recognize that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals / Haynar. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"

3. Bargaining — The third stage involves the hope that players can avoid upcoming changes by providing evidence to support their claims. Players facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.

4. Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I miss my beloved luclin models/color target window, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, players become saddened by the mathematical probability of patch notes. In this state, these individuals may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time afk, mournful and sullen.

5. Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it."; "It's their server."
In this last stage, players embrace the inevitable future of the server which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the player, and a stable condition of emotions.

This progression definitely isn't guaranteed. One could view the post history of a few individuals in here and find they've consistently been looping steps 1-3 for months (or more, ain't got time to read that many posts).

[Rararboker]

This was my suggestion (took a few days before I remembered I'd offered this) for epic quest level checks. I looked up each epic and looked for the final or as close to the final turn-in as possible. Adding a lvl 46 check to this part of each epic will guarantee only lvl 46+ characters can complete epic quest. This would also follow EQ nerf history more accurately as it will stop further hand-ins from being given to pre-46 characters without affecting people who did this before the (non classic) change being proposed here was announced.

Note: This is purely a suggestion. There was no research about whether or not these quest had this during classic because of the scarcity of information available on the subject. Though, in my opinion, this is closer to the dev intention than adding level requirements to items. Twinking is and always will be what set EQ apart from a lot of other MMO's and games. It is also one of the key things that I sorely miss whenever I try out a new game and notice level requirements on every piece of gear.

Bard: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give Page 24 top, page 24 bottom, page 25 and Forpar’s Lute to Baldric Slezaf, receive Singing Short Sword

Cleric: [Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in] Give Orb to Avatar of Water – receive Water Sprinkler of Nem Ankh

Druid: [Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in] Give the Elaborate Scimitar and cleansed spirits to Xanuusus the Treant in North Karana, to receive the Nature Walkers Scimitar

Enchanter: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give the Bundle of Staves to Jeb Lumsed (a sarnak imitator) in Burning Woods to get the Staff of the Serpent!

Magician: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Go to the Master of Elements and give him the four Elements. Receive Spell: Summon Orb.

Monk: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Turn in Book of Celestial Fists and Demon Fangs to sane Kaiaren to receive the monk epic, Celestial Fists.

Necromancer: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give Gkzzallk in a Box to Kazen for Scythe of the Shadowed Soul

Paladin: Unnecessary since final turn-in is in a lvl 46+ only zone. (PoF)

Ranger: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give Telin Darkforest Refined Ancient Sword...spawning Faelin Bloodbriar, give her Refined Ancient Sword receiving Swiftwind
-----(Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give Xanuusus Emerald of Corruption and Refined Mithril Blade recieving Earthcaller

Rogue: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) - Turn in General's Pouch, Jagged Diamond Dagger, and Cazic Quill to Stanos Herkanor and recieve Ragebringer!

Shadowknight: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give Lhranc's Coin to Marl and receive Innoruuk's Curse

Shaman: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Take Scale to Spirit Sentinel wolf in Emerald Jungle by the pond to receive your epic!

Warrior: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give Note and Spiroc Wingblade to Kargek and Receive Red Scabbard

Wizard: (Add lvl46 requirement to hand-in) Give the bag to Solomen, receive the Staff of the Four

[ergo]

Unfortunately they do not care about people that did this before the patch. It was one of the questions asked by Ele and the response was it will treat it as if you had nothing in your hand if you are not lv 46.

As Mudcrush deleveled on live, he was still able to wield his epic at level 10. He was not able to CLICK the epic, but wearing it was never a problem. Anyone that had the item could wield it. That is classic.

They know it is classic, they do not care.

[Rararboker]

Yeah, I was one of the first posters in this thread...

They said, when I asked, that they chose this choice because of a lack of other options.

[ergo]

Just prevent MQing, let me use it if I have it already [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] /solved

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just prevent MQing, let me use it if I have it already [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] /solved

Already asked, and Haynar trolled me over it. No other staff have commented on why existing epics can't be grandfathered in at least on Blue.

Great job asking a useless question on the cast tonight though whoever that was. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It was already a gone conclusion that epics wouldn't be doable or usable below level 46.

We were trying to get existing epics grandfathered in since people had already invested countless hours and plat into their twinks to enjoy the game with the way they wanted to, in a very classic way. This would have been the most relevant question to get an answer to at this point.

I asked directly in this thread why not allow existing Blue epics to be grandfathered in, and was trolled by staff for it. Would have been nice to corner them on the stream when they are on the spot and have them explain why grandfathering in Blue epics is not acceptable as people have already dedicated time for several years into achieving their twink BIS epic pieces.

Oh well.