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[Bruman]

Bah, can't edit in RnF. I had the last two paragraphs enclosed in fake "Philospher" tags.

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah except it's not. You keep hiding behind this fake-wall of "BUT WE DONT KNOW WHATS MORAL OR NOT".

don't put words into my mouth buddy. I keep saying that my version is different than person B's is different than person C's. Tell me, with a straight face, that that's not true.

There's really no point in continuing this discussion. Everyone else gets it, and Karsten is wanting to "play stupid" as an excuse for training and leap frogging.

Have you been reading this thread?

Pick YOUR high ground. Don't worry if Guild A wouldn't pick it. Make the effort to be more morally higher than others. Kill them with kindness. Who cares if you lose some pixels? At least you're not swimming in a bag of vinegar.

That is in fact precisely what I, and others who run our guild do. If you feel differently about that, then we are once again back at my original and main point.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah except it's not. You keep hiding behind this fake-wall of "BUT WE DONT KNOW WHATS MORAL OR NOT".

There's really no point in continuing this discussion. Everyone else gets it, and Karsten is wanting to "play stupid" as an excuse for training and leap frogging.

There's some gray area there, sure - but it's nowhere near as wide as you're pretending it to be.

Okay, glad i'm not the only one seeing it that way. But you're right... Karsten is going to refuse to even consider what taking a high road might be if it nets TR one less raid target than the norm. So let's just call a spade a spade. Big talk, but not willing to put the phat lewts where his mouth is. That is the ultimate issue. They don't care about the health of the server or its community. Why should they? Things seem perfectly healthy to them. Until everyone gets sick of being leapfrogged or sniped or rules-lawyered and then the only people left on the server are 100 or so TR with no one but themselves to impress. Is that the end goal here?

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't put words into my mouth buddy. I keep saying that my version is different than person B's is different than person C's. Tell me, with a straight face, that that's not true.

Have you been reading this thread?

That is in fact precisely what I, and others who run our guild do. If you feel differently about that, then we are once again back at my original and main point.

Too lazy to break up quotes, but we can continue!

I'm not your buddy, friend. But yes - that's definitely true. However, I wouldn't use that as a reason to not continue to attempt to run on that moral high ground. Which it seems like you're doing with some of your posts. You say you answer to your guild, instead of your guild answering to you. As an officer, I'd just assume you would tell them to take the highest moral road you can find. It feels like you want to say "Because Guild X would leap frog us while we're clearing juggs, we should do it to them".

Perhaps what you're saying is more of "We're going to do it, but when another guild does it to us, we'll retaliate" - and that's where we'd make different decisions, being in the same situation.

I generally have pretty low respect for TMO (they have a few excellent members I've grouped with, and would highly recommend, and some are fun to joke around with, but unfortunately 90% of the ones I've encountered have been very poor players with even worse attitudes...and spelling). The couple of times we ran into them while raiding further cemented that.

On the opposite of that, I used to keep a pretty high respect with TR - while I never really grouped with any of you (well, except ex-guildies who have joined you now, and some people I grouped with before they were in TR), I didn't have any incidents of raids clashing (except one time, that was more of a /facepalm on you guys than anything). But lately, the threads and flaming have dragged you guys down. You guys obviously have done some more questionable things in the nastiness that went on with TMO, to match their tactics, as well as some childish petty arguments. And that was a shame.

FWIW - I know my opinion doesn't mean shit. You guys have no reason to care what some "scrub BDA monk" thinks. But I know it's not just me - but you still probably don't care what others think either, which is your choice.

If you're trying to get a reign back in on things, then I congratulate you for it. There's been one or two times in BDA where I didn't like what we did, and I didn't voice my opinion on it, and felt bad about it. We didn't train another guild or anything like that, but one or two petty things that I wouldn't have done. Now I voice it - and since then, those things haven't happened again. If they happen again in the future, I know at least I tried to prevent it.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too lazy to break up quotes, but we can continue!

I'm not your buddy, friend. But yes - that's definitely true. However, I wouldn't use that as a reason to not continue to attempt to run on that moral high ground. Which it seems like you're doing with some of your posts. You say you answer to your guild, instead of your guild answering to you. As an officer, I'd just assume you would tell them to take the highest moral road you can find. It feels like you want to say "Because Guild X would leap frog us while we're clearing juggs, we should do it to them".

Perhaps what you're saying is more of "We're going to do it, but when another guild does it to us, we'll retaliate" - and that's where we'd make different decisions, being in the same situation.

I generally have pretty low respect for TMO (they have a few excellent members I've grouped with, and would highly recommend, and some are fun to joke around with, but unfortunately 90% of the ones I've encountered have been very poor players with even worse attitudes...and spelling). The couple of times we ran into them while raiding further cemented that.

On the opposite of that, I used to keep a pretty high respect with TR - while I never really grouped with any of you (well, except ex-guildies who have joined you now, and some people I grouped with before they were in TR), I didn't have any incidents of raids clashing (except one time, that was more of a /facepalm on you guys than anything). But lately, the threads and flaming have dragged you guys down. You guys obviously have done some more questionable things in the nastiness that went on with TMO, to match their tactics, as well as some childish petty arguments. And that was a shame.

FWIW - I know my opinion doesn't mean shit. You guys have no reason to care what some "scrub BDA monk" thinks. But I know it's not just me - but you still probably don't care what others think either, which is your choice.

If you're trying to get a reign back in on things, then I congratulate you for it. There's been one or two times in BDA where I didn't like what we did, and I didn't voice my opinion on it, and felt bad about it. We didn't train another guild or anything like that, but one or two petty things that I wouldn't have done. Now I voice it - and since then, those things haven't happened again. If they happen again in the future, I know at least I tried to prevent it.

Shut up

[visage]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, glad i'm not the only one seeing it that way. But you're right... Karsten is going to refuse to even consider what taking a high road might be if it nets TR one less raid target than the norm. So let's just call a spade a spade. Big talk, but not willing to put the phat lewts where his mouth is. That is the ultimate issue. They don't care about the health of the server or its community. Why should they? Things seem perfectly healthy to them. Until everyone gets sick of being leapfrogged or sniped or rules-lawyered and then the only people left on the server are 100 or so TR with no one but themselves to impress. Is that the end goal here?

Karsten is probably one of the biggest faggot douches on the server. personally i'd love to meet him in RL to give him a royal ass whooping. For being such a prick headed cock suck.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shut up

Tiggles, I thought we were BFFs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Asher]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't put words into my mouth buddy. I keep saying that my version is different than person B's is different than person C's. Tell me, with a straight face, that that's not true.



Have you been reading this thread?



That is in fact precisely what I, and others who run our guild do. If you feel differently about that, then we are once again back at my original and main point.

I think that you will find most other guilds will agree with what Bruman and Yendor have been saying.

You can keep telling yourself that you take the moral high ground and all the other guilds can keep laughing.

Even TMO doesn't pull the shit your guild does.


Asher

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by visage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Karsten is probably one of the biggest faggot douches on the server. personally i'd love to meet him in RL to give him a royal ass whooping. For being such a prick headed cock suck.

False, Karsten is one of the cooler people I've met on the server.

P.S. I've seen your picture. You aren't whooping any ass unless your idea of whooping is with your dick.

[karsten]

Originally Posted by visage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Karsten is probably one of the biggest faggot douches on the server. personally i'd love to meet him in RL to give him a royal ass whooping. So I can suck his cock.

no thanks, I don't do gay porn, pycoba




not that there's anything wrong with that, i mean, if that's your thing