Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

[Tajin]

Originally Posted by Billbike [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot fails because of bagging and the risk of ganking.

Gank squads will be at every druid ring and wiz spire.

Everyone will end up playing casters, who can kill naked. Why risk pvp when it's more of a risk for your class?(melee/hybrid)

Most fights are predetermined. The one who initiates the pvp wins prolly 75% of the time. If said initiater is better geared, higher level, or just the right class, it jumps to near 100%.

So why would that player who is being attacked not immediately run/gate and or start bagging their valuables?

Have u ever played on a pvp server, are you really saying there won't be gank squads if item loot was turned off??? You must have serious case of the downs. People who bag have a bigger chance of dying due to decline in stats. If you are good at EQ, u can avoid death at all costs. It all comes down to u needing to play better.
Stop worrying about population declining because item loot is on.... the server will be epic regardless... This is like beating a dead horse. You p99 bluebies will get griefed off the server with or w/o item loot so dont ruin the real pvpers fun.

[Envious]

I dont think anyone will admit to not playing with item loot, but its just too hard on the melees. And esp tanks. They need the items to be able to pvp, and the gearing up time is just too rough to risk it.

On P99 I have seen people spend 20hr straight at frenzy, with no sash. You really think people will not /ragequit when they spend a week+ farming frenzy with guild etc, just to have it ganked when they go grab a drink?

And before you "Should long when you get a drink, or should have bagged it" yeah, I know. But its gonna happen, and most of the people posting here from VZ/TZ have no fucking clue about the drop %s on P99.

Personally, I dont care either way. But I see it being better for population with no item loot. And messing with the loot tables always means taking more than 1 shot to figure it out, so better to leave as it is, and no item loot imo.

But I would still play.

[Nirgon]

If VZTZ was blue it woulda had the same / less pop probably, argue that one.

You can also argue the people that left VZ/TZ didn't feel like they should have to risk any of the advantage they had there which was a lot of it.

This also addresses level range specific twinks having no risk.

I dont think we're looking at a top heavy, MQ'ing population here. Nor are we looking at an entirely like minded player base.

[Envious]

De-leveling and twinking was part of the fun.

Teuful (Previously lvl 55 DE warrior, de-leveled to 20, with full planar + fungi + FoZ + Jade Mace + Zerker Cloak + Full Resist gear)

[Nirgon]

Yeah if you wanna do that and risk your fungi in the world I remember, have fun with that man :P.

Again, the classic xp.

[Nirgon]

Not everyone is going to attack every person they see. I also don't think the goal here is to create incentive to PvP like previous emu servers/projects. Many people think that is the case. This is a server with the option of pvp, not an arena death match.

I'd even debate the 8 level range versus a 4 level range with item loot, but I know the "nay"s would be all over that and I'd risk being labeled a bluebie.

[Yukahwa]

I won't call you a bluebie. Your opinions are valid and you have valid points and valid concerns about the drawbacks of item loot.

There needs to be an incentive for people who dont want to PVP to fight off those that do want to PVP. The server doesn't have a PVP option. It is forced. All of Norrath is the arena.

If there is no incentive to PVP for grinding players trying to get to level 50, it is just a hassle. Rest assured, wherever you go to level, you will be hunted by someone. Even if you don't want to PVP it will happen to you. If there is no possible positive outcome to fighting a PK..why do it?

[Cfullard]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the majority of FFA PvP on the past red servers? 94% of the population was some caster class or a hybrid (bard)

[Billbike]

Originally Posted by Cfullard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the majority of FFA PvP on the past red servers? 94% of the population was some caster class or a hybrid (bard)

So encouraging that environment will make the server more fun?

I never played p1999, but I'm confident that it's high population isn't due to 75% of the server being naked/cloth casters.

I thought everyone wanted a p1999 server with pvp turned on?

And Teams pvp just means oor healers, because in the end everyone will group with everyone.

[Nirgon]

And melee assist trains decided wins for raid content. Hate to be the bearer of the truth.