OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Pan]

Does not meet these criteria (sirken) in the least:

remember this is NOT about helping guildA or hurting guildB or anything that retardedly short sighted. we are trying to build a better server, both to allow current players to have lots of fun, but also a server that will be welcoming to another 600-1000 players after velious launches, and allow them to have fun as well.

Carves out huge penalties for guilds hoping to advance past any one of a number of plateaus. Makes the high-value targets less accessible to the up and comers.

This is purely by the big dogs for the big dogs and ensures that others cannot tread on their turf.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A temporary fix to keep GMs happy until Velious, with them giving up very little, meant to fear guilds from "attempting" VP dragons, lest they get punished for 90 days for racing TMO/FE/IB in VP. Any guild trying to progress meets a HUGE hurdle there.

Huh? What punishment. If you are capable of competing in VP, you are capable of competing everywhere else. So basically you are saying TMO/FE/IB are punishing themselves for being awesome... but if BDA was ever awesome you can't be punished?
Be real.

[YendorLootmonkey]

1) Not sure what to think about the no poopsocking agreement. This caters to guilds with alt armies that can be logged out save 1-2 trackers. Needs something more here.

2) DA Stalling Tactics should have been completely prohibited. Maybe just 1 DA/DB/idol to eat the Trak Touch... there's no need for another 18 seconds of stalling, that's just a crutch. Either you're ready to engage when you have FTE or you aren't.

3) I would have liked to have seen "leapfrogging" addressed.

4) As has been mentioned, the penalty is too steep to enter that VP playground.

5) Noble should have had a rotation... with no variance, one guild is going to get extremely lucky to have Noble pop routinely during their sky raid every single week.

6) Guild Council is a great idea. Would like to know more about what these "sanctions" include though. Europa's going to be pissed they don't have representation. What are the objective measurements for being represented? I think the casual guilds are under-represented here for obvious reasons. Europa and Azure Guard came up in all sorts of scenarios as we talked this through, but now they're suddenly not considered raid guilds.

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Ecguy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are target the rest of the month that CAT A guilds ignore.

I see that, but given the split in guild status it should be more like 2 weeks on, two weeks off.

You are leaving one week for whatever 6 guilds aren't Category A to compete for ''prioritized' mobs, then 3 weeks for yourselves in this proposal, and that's just bullshit imo.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Category A - you state 20% is required. You realize that this means that, more than likely, only 3 guilds can stay category A at any one time? This agreement pretty much says 'We three guilds get the majority of the good mobs forever" 4 guilds means that for everyone to stay in you'd all have to be at 25%. There aren't enough targets out there for 1% granularity in these measurements. That's an incredible balancing act. At 5 guilds you'd all have to be spot on the money, which is never going to happen. Seems like this is catered towards the big 3.
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You are counting FE and IB as different guild percentages, but they will be counted as one I am guessing? That is how they have been rolling. So there are currently only 2 groups in category A at the moment TMO and FE-IB. I do not see 5 big raid guilds on this server. Just not enough devoted players for that. So still room for another 1-2 easy, if they chose to rise.

[Derubael]

If you are a guild leader or an officer with the power to represent your guild and do not like this proposal, you should be contacting Unbrella and Zagum and working out a time where you can either A) talk about your proposal or B) make modifications to this one.

[Ecguy]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see that, but given the split in guild status it should be more like 2 weeks on, two weeks off.

You are leaving one week for whatever 6 guilds aren't Category A to compete for ''prioritized' mobs, then 3 weeks for yourselves in this proposal.

CAT B guilds aren't prevented from attempting priority targets at any time. It lowers the amount of targets available to CAT A guilds.

[DrKvothe]

So FE and IB are a single raiding team with 4 votes on the council?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are counting FE and IB as different guild percentages, but they will be counted as one I am guessing? That is how they have been rolling. So there are currently only 2 groups in category A at the moment TMO and FE-IB. I do not see 5 big raid guilds on this server. Just not enough devoted players for that. So still room for another 1-2 easy, if they chose to rise.

If they are raiding as one entity, then they should be represented on the guild council as one entity. Not split into 2 for the purposes out outvoting casual guilds when needed.

[Bugmuncher]

How about ok what you said but

VOX and NAGGY are FFA everyone, the CAT A/B guilds do not get to kill them at all anymore. If a specific drop is needed negotiate it, trade an uber rot/alt piece for it -OR- an epic drop!

When Velious comes add a CAT C.


Haaay

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