Classic SOE Overnerf

[Oogmog]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were at a 5% bonus and now at a 15% negative with regard to racial.

Warrior +10, Ogre -15. Overall -5%, no?

[holkan]

Originally Posted by Kreigore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As an Ogre Warrior, he should be at -5% overall (with regard to racial and class modifiers), right?

he was getting the +10 % warrior increase before the change I believe. So the only thing that got affected was his racial going from +5 % halfing bonus to -15 % ogre penalty.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Oogmog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrior +10, Ogre -15. Overall -5%, no?

We're not referring to the overall, we're referring to racial penalties. There was still a 20% swing in ogre XP.

[Extunarian]

The current XP penalty of an Ogre Warrior is -6.5%:
1.0 (normal XP) * .85 (-15% ogre racial) * 1.1 (+10% warrior bonus) = 93.5%.

Since you previously had the halfling +5% bonus you were experiencing a 15.5% bonus:
1.0 * 1.05 (halfling racial applied to ogres) * 1.1 (warrior bonus) = 115.5%

Which unfortunately for you would come out a 22% decrease in XP rate:
115.5-93.5 = 22%

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Kreigore]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're not referring to the overall, we're referring to racial penalties. There was still a 20% swing in ogre XP.

But now he should be obtaining a -15% racial modifier, along with a +10% class modifier - right?

Which would make a Ogre Warrior's experience modifier -5% overall. Or am I missing something?

[Kreigore]

Originally Posted by Extunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1.0 (normal XP) * .85 (-15%) * 1.1 (+10%) = 93.5%.

The XP penalty of an Ogre Warrior is -6.5%.

Since you previously had the halfling +5% bonus it was:
1.0 (normal) * 1.05 * 1.1 = 115.5%

115.5-93.5 = 22% decrease in XP rate for Ogre Warriors after the fix.

Interesting, I never knew that's how experience was calculated...

[Aeolwind]

I think folks may be losing perspective. To clear 44, 45 and get a safe bubble into 46 it took me almost 72 hours on live. No deaths. No trains. I did the run non-stop.

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by holkan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic has alot of flaws and alot of things were changed but the developers rae here to make it as classic as possible the good and the bad. It sucks that its gonna take awhile to catch my friends up to my character now but its their server and this what they want to do with it.

Flaws? Good and bad? Wheres my procing sword of runes on non-summoned mobs? Give me that and I won't care about this XP crap because I know THE GOOD AND BAD ARE IN.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Kreigore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As an Ogre Warrior, he should be at -5% overall (with regard to racial and class modifiers), right?

It's multiplied, so 10% bonus * 15% penalty works out to a 6.5% penalty overall.

Here's the full skinny on the racial modifier fix:

Race   PrePatch   PostPatch
----   --------   ---------
HUM      -4.8%       no mod
BAR     no mod          -5%
ERU     no mod       no mod
ELF     no mod       no mod
HIE     no mod       no mod
DEF     no mod       no mod
HEF     no mod       no mod
DWA       -17%       no mod
TRO       -13%         -20%
OGR      +5.2%         -15%
HAL     no mod          +5%
GNO       -17%       no mod
IKS     no mod         -20%
VAH     no mod       no mod
FRG     no mod       no mod

Yes, it was an 'off by one' error in a table lookup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[theblaz]

I remember eq from the start and I honestly thought exp was a little faster on p 1999 , .. after the changes recently, if it is slower, that would seem to me to be more in line with how I remember classic being.

(Since I have been solo'ing the last few levels , I would not notice a difference, so to me, it is all the same... )

My memory isn't always great, so perhaps I am wrong about the xp rates from classic...

-Blaz