The Destruction of Straightness

[India]

Man, you can't even hijack a quote correctly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel bad for you, I'll leave you alone

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, you can't even hijack a quote correctly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel bad for you, I'll leave you alone

Thank you.

[Rhambuk]

I mentioned it being his opinion because thats all any of this is, opinion. There is no concrete evidence one way or the other that homosexuality is a choice, or just how your born. Christians, at least the vocal ones which seem to be most, also share the opinion that its a choice, wrong, immoral, they need to be "cured", and that they will burn in eternal hellfire.

The only reason I tied to the 2 together, is because if you've read root's other posts, he seems to be quite fanatic almost flagellant in his beliefs. That was my opinion, nothing more.

[Kagatob]

I still want a good Christian (I mean a homophobe) to give me a good description of when they chose to be heterosexual since to them sexual preference is obviously a choice.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking of Chistianity, take a look at the most recent approval of gay youth in the BSoA. Most of the Christian religions in most of the reports of this actually APROVE the move (I'm talking about the major christian religions, not the randoms that have a voice but only consist of several hundred people).

Of course they approve it, they have to or they'll lose popularity.

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Fill them pews, people, that's the key. Grab the little ones as well. Hook 'em while they're young.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still want a good Christian (I mean a homophobe) to give me a good description of when they chose to be heterosexual since to them sexual preference is obviously a choice.

Well, I'm not a homophobe, I actually am glad homosexuals are getting more rights, I do believe it is wrong to marry the same sex, but hey, at the end of the day I got my own problems to worry about. That being said though, it's not when or why we chose to be heterosexual, but most Christian religions believes that we we're created with agency. The issue that arises is homos who state they can't choose what they do, which is 100% against the belief in agency. What makes matters worse is those gay from religions that believe in it that deny having a choice.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm not a homophobe, I actually am glad homosexuals are getting more rights, I do believe it is wrong to marry the same sex, but hey, at the end of the day I got my own problems to worry about.

Believe it or not I agree with this =p

The whole marriage thing is honestly the church's realm and the state has no business interfering by creating new laws, just as the church has no business interfering with the state. Separation of. Theres a reason our forefathers, who would probably break off from current america looking for a new land to reform original america, implemented this they spent a lot of hard work and time designing a country that wouldn't have the problems ours has today. Citizens are arguing with each other, to the death at times, over two things that NEVER should have come close together.

That being said, theres no reason they don't deserve an equally blessed union maybe not one under the church but definitely one approved by society...

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still want a good Christian (I mean a homophobe) to give me a good description of when they chose to be heterosexual since to them sexual preference is obviously a choice.

the preference is irrelevant. the actions are what is supposedly a sin.

anyway, i never understood the fascination with "choice". it's a non-issue. if a pedophile tells you pedophilia isn't a choice, what would you say? oh, that's fine then? of course not. choice or not, don't touch a fucking kid.

similarly, if you grant that homosexuality is wrong, then it doesn't matter whether it's a choice or not.

it's just silly to say consensual sex between adults is wrong. but the matter of choice doesn't really have a role in it

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm not a homophobe, I actually am glad homosexuals are getting more rights, I do believe it is wrong to marry the same sex, but hey, at the end of the day I got my own problems to worry about. That being said though, it's not when or why we chose to be heterosexual, but most Christian religions believes that we we're created with agency. The issue that arises is homos who state they can't choose what they do, which is 100% against the belief in agency. What makes matters worse is those gay from religions that believe in it that deny having a choice.

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Believe it or not I agree with this =p

The whole marriage thing is honestly the church's realm and the state has no business interfering by creating new laws, just as the church has no business interfering with the state. Separation of. Theres a reason our forefathers, who would probably break off from current america looking for a new land to reform original america, implemented this they spent a lot of hard work and time designing a country that wouldn't have the problems ours has today. Citizens are arguing with each other, to the death at times, over two things that NEVER should have come close together.

That being said, theres no reason they don't deserve an equally blessed union maybe not one under the church but definitely one approved by society...

Agreed, the government should get out of the marriage business entirely. The reality is that they won't but if people stop acknowledging this fact the problem will undoubtedly never go away.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyway, i never understood the fascination with "choice". it's a non-issue. if a pedophile tells you pedophilia isn't a choice, what would you say? oh, that's fine then? of course not. choice or not, don't touch a fucking kid.

Why would you compare pedophilia to homosexuality? One is a form of abuse and the other is a lifestyle choice that has 0 negative effects to anyone. They have nothing in common and you should be ashamed of yourself to even try to make such a comparison.