A Bard's Tale

[A1551]

A well played bard is ridiculous in groups..and thats coming from an enchanter who does most of the important things they do much better (and MUCH easier omg do I have respect for a well played bard). Anyone saying otherwise probably hasn't grouped with a competent bard, or didn't realize just how much the bard was doing. Which isn't that surprising, its hard as hell (busy, busy,busy) to play well in a group as a bard, and they level so easily solo that you rarely see them leveling in groups..and you end up with level 50 bards who basically did nothing but AE and don't know crap about actually playing their class.

It was rare that I ever got to level with a bard in a dungeon coming up on my enchanter, but they're ridiculous pullers, they're good cc, theyre good dps in many situations (as someone mentioned a good bard is charming the second mob in camp and using it to dps with), they fill in almost any gap your group might have, and they can substantially reduce downtime (that stacks with clarity/regen!). What's not to love?

I don't have the patience for all that twisting while running around chasing mobs, switching weapons/instruments constantly, having to do every job in the group that is otherwise missing, etc -- I really have nothing but the utmost respect for a well-played bard. The reason I personally wish AE kiting didin't work here for bards is I think it would drive a lot more bards into leveling in dungeons and knowing how to actually fight in a dungeon, which would be good for pickup groups everywhere :P

[cs616]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It could just be bad luck that I have never been in group with a good bard, but I have NEVER been in a group with a bard where I have said "wow that is a mean fucking bard." Or "I don't think we would have survived that without the bard." The very sad thing is that I HAVE been in a group with a ranger where I HAVE said "Wow that was a mean ass ranger." And I consider rangers to be leagues below bards. As for bards in raids yell fucking yea they are nice in raids, I said grouping, didn't say anything about raids.

Yea, I still don't think you really get bards though. Bards might not be the best at anything, although I would argue there are many things they are the best at, however, they can fill the role of sometimes 2 or 3 specialty classes freeing up more room for dps, which can be huge.

In a standard melee based group playing my normal songs my bard provides: 55% haste, 46 Dmg Shield, 83 STR, 55 ATK, 31 HP regen, 13 mana regen, and 9 AC. I would argue those stats are as good if not better than what any other single class can provide. On top of that, a bard can lock down up to 4 mobs indefinitely, charm mobs to CC/dps, has probably the best lull in the game (unless outdoors), has probably the best snare in game, can slow, take hits, etc.

I really don't think there is a class in the game that can do more for a group than a well played bard, especially if the bard has epic. A bard might be slightly worse at doing one specific thing than another class, but the multiple other things that they can be doing at the same time more than outweigh the fact that enchanters for example have slightly better haste, or can mez a couple more mobs.

Originally Posted by Zanderr

you get to interact with real people.

Lies, I never had time to interact with people! But for real, I got really good at typing in those few seconds between songs.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lies, I never had time to interact with people! But for real, I got really good at typing in those few seconds between songs.

Exactly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I got tired of chatting in 3 second bursts and working so hard. cs616 is Goodies, right? What's the name of your bard?

I quit Dramor mainly because of this server's prohibition of MacroQuest. I was all set to rewrite the bard UI with some MQ scripts which would dramatically reduce my typing time (as well as perfecting my timing and making me the most effective bard on th server!) but then I figured I'd just get banned for excessive awesomeness/cheating depending on your point of view. Maybe I should talk to Rogean and ask for an exemption, but somehow I doubt he'd go for it.

[cs616]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cs616 is Goodies, right? What's the name of your bard?

Nope, Gileren. I probably should have a sig of some sort.

[xCry0x]

Druids looking to quad in OT have a right to complain because there are not a ton of other options .. plus I like druids there so I can hammer & get a port quickly.

Everyone else is more or less choosing to group in a zone that bards are known to kite in and then complaining about it. If all the people grouping in OT moved to lguk they would get better exp and have a chance at items dropping.. but hey, lets sit in OT and complain about bards.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone else is more or less choosing to group in a zone that bards are known to kite in and then complaining about it. If all the people grouping in OT moved to lguk they would get better exp and have a chance at items dropping.. but hey, lets sit in OT and complain about bards.

Wrong, bards are choosing to kite in a zone that people group in.

[boudicca]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druids looking to quad in OT have a right to complain because there are not a ton of other options .. plus I like druids there so I can hammer & get a port quickly.

Everyone else is more or less choosing to group in a zone that bards are known to kite in and then complaining about it. If all the people grouping in OT moved to lguk they would get better exp and have a chance at items dropping.. but hey, lets sit in OT and complain about bards.

It wasn't "classic" to have ONE BARD swarm kite the whole Overthere zone during Live. It was the NORM for people to group, for people to solo as well as the quad kiters. They ALL were able to live a hell of alot more harmoniously in a zone where one selfish prick didn't tie up all the mobs, and then take half an hour to do so.

Oh, and then that selfish prick starts up spontaneous monologues in OT ooc, lamenting about oh how EVERYONE HATES him and he's SUCH a martyr and SO FALSELY ACCUSED and he's is just about the NICEST BESTEST person on the whole server!

If you have to start up a defensive, spammy diatribe on OOC (and here) with your propaganda, to try to make people like you, you must have a justifiably horrible rep.

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[Dostarr]

Originally Posted by boudicca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wasn't "classic" to have ONE BARD swarm kite the whole Overthere zone during Live. It was the NORM for people to group, for people to solo as well as the quad kiters. They ALL were able to live a hell of alot more harmoniously in a zone where one selfish prick didn't tie up all the mobs, and then take half an hour to do so.

Oh, and then that selfish prick starts up spontaneous monologues in OT ooc, lamenting about oh how EVERYONE HATES him and he's SUCH a martyr and SO FALSELY ACCUSED and he's is just about the NICEST BESTEST person on the whole server!

If you have to start up a defensive, spammy diatribe on OOC (and here) with your propaganda, to try to make people like you, you must have a justifiably horrible rep.

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HAHAHAHAHA, thank you.. this is precisely my point. False assumptions and ignorance combined with a low intelligence produces shitty conclusions... First, bards easily could swarm entire zones in Classic, my bard did.. including the DL bug where you could run em into the KC wall and go afk with aoe dmg on while they ran face first into the wall.. WRONG; second I take AT MOST 5 minutes to kill a swarm and that is ONLY when someone 50-60 physically damages the mobs causing them to run at 30-35%, typically its <2m.. so half an hour WRONG; tying up all the mobs in the zone WRONG. I spend hours talking with groups and quadders insuring they have plenty of mobs during both pull and kill phase and during the "respawn phase" for my swarm.
Next point of facetious bullshit; The only people that "dislike me" are one's like you..and low hp'n bards/bad bards who I consistently bitch at for doing all the things you are complaining about (tying up zone, taking hour to kill) in fact today I spent 2 hours working with a bard to teach him to kill faster so he'd tie up less mobs.

Next point of facetious bullshit; I didnt make this thread because I'm an innocent martyr (I've definitely lost it, take the SS for example, and I've also never hidden that fact I lose my temper; read through my posts) I didnt make this thread to get people to like me, I could give a shit TBH..I have plenty of good friends in all sorts of places [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] no concerns there.. I made this post because even I am getting to my wits end with the ignorance and stupid claims people like you are making with absolutely no evidence or even solid logic on an incessant basis.. and it's not just me. Though certainly, I'm one of the few bards who takes any time to even respond to it, hence the publicity. The rest, simply ignore it and continue being douches.

This next part is to prove a point and is not how I actually feel.
Tbh, this thread has pretty much convinced me I should pull the whole zone, why not!? I'm being called out for doing it even when I'm not..so why not screw people and make more plat in the process..either way I get called a douchebard who pulls everything right?
End <---This shit is the line of thought the way you people stupidly treat bards for absolutely no reason (of that particular bard) not in all cases ofc.. sometimes there is a history.

I shouldn't bother wasting the time on these threads to explain anything.. I should just make a shitty piecemeal copypasta and tell people half the story so incite more tribulation for everyone.. GENIUS!!!!

[webrunner5]

There is like 10 Bards on the whole server that are worth a crap. And they are awesome. I think Nilbog ought to just delete the rest of them. Pain in the ass. Just give me another Shaman or Rogue in a group. Nobody needs a half ass Bard in a group trust me. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] And Swarm kiting has just about ruined some zones on here.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for bards in raids yell fucking yea they are nice in raids, I said grouping, didn't say anything about raids.

Oh whoops, I was looking at your second post in which you talk about our shitty regens, etc. That post doesn't mention anything about groups or raids.

My bad, my bad.