Would you participate in a server wide twitter based batphone for raid mobs? (poll)

[finalgrunt]

More importantly, who would be responsible for lawyering server wide?

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So a year or so ago I realized that if you want to experience the raiding content on p99 you are left with very few choices. There was one guild monopolizing most of the content and very few guilds who seemed interested in getting involved with the inevitable drama that comes with facing TMO.


Initially I just wanted to take all the guilds interested and form an alliance for raiding. Unfortunately this idea probably would not work out and would just lead to more guilds hating eachother. So I came up with the idea that we should just form a twitter batphone for everyone on p99.

It could be done a number of ways with many different ways to split loot and epic drops. But the vasic idea is that someone creates the twitter, anyone of sufficient level (58+ for kunark bosses, 50+ for old world bosses) could join and participate in raids. I understand there will be many kinks to work out as well as concrete rules/regulations to keep things fair.


This would also likely require a large capacity ventrilo server as well as perhaps a separate forum section. There will likely be many opponents to such ideas and that's fine because we have ket opposition every other time someone makes a suggestion to benefit the server/community.



So, I'm wondering who would be interested in participating in this type of thing?


What suggestions do you have in regards to splitting loot fairly?

How could we communicate amongst the folks interested?

What should we call ourselves?

Obviously every person wants to have their guilds and if said guilds want to mobilize and go after targets on their own that's cool too. But their chances alone arent as good as our chances would be together.


So I would vote to keep this simple, with interested players signing up on the batphone under their p99 character name(s) and parking their toons at whatever mobs we choose each week.

Loot could be randomed and split among those who NEED it, no alts/twinks. We can create a list of who needs what epic drops and base our priorities on that first.

Folks can take turns or track mobs in groups to break up monotony. We could start by choosing 3 or 4 mobs each week to focus on, and rotate the mobs each week in order to give folks chances to get tge items they need without buying them from TMO.

We could random the loot, keep track of who gets what and place a time limit on when winners will be allowed to random again to be fair.


Should members of TMO be excluded? considering the fact they have had 2 years to monopolize all the epic/dragon loot and their stance towards the rest of the server.



And lastly, is this even feasible? Worth it? Love to hear the opinions you all offer as long as they are constructive and not rnf-esque.

Again -- I understand something like this would be a lot of work and coordination and it would piss off a lot of people probably. But at this point I don't see another option for those folks who want to raid but refuse to get involved in.the shenanigans.


There are great players who refuse to raid on this server because of the toxic atmosphere and greedy lootwhores who must monopolize and sell loot rather than give other deserving folks a chance at kunark before velious is out. I mean, its been 2 years.

I suspect that naturally the server pop will dip before velious like it did prekunark but it really doesn't have to if the content wasn't cockblocked to fuck.

I endorse the shaking up of blues server politics by creating a massive force that no single guild can compete against. I still think you should DKP, just / all zone require people to drop anon, and award dkp on the twitter via list, or link to a google doc.

Let the alts of alts join your zerg and put the server on farm status. Fair is fair for all. The only thing you have to respect is no guild affiliation should matter if they are a member of the 3rd party org. So if TMO wants to defect and help you. Let em. It will shake up their ranks a bit with infighting as well.

Test server did this and broke the brutal lock on pop raid mobs that were cockblocking several smaller guilds from progressing beyond PoP. We left primal brood in the dust and completely dominated GoD and onwards with no skill players. Who eventually learned to raid a bit.

Blue certainly has the population to do this =)

In other words you just need to get people to show up and reward them fairly somehow.

[xarzzardorn]

serious post i don't know if you realize 'hof but the best way to do this would be to approach various leaderships in game. look at how free trakanons for divinity worked out with their huge dumptruck of dog poop thread. if that thread had never been posted they probably would have gotten a shot at the dargon

tldr forums are a cesspool

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

free trakanons for divinity

wut

also serious posts include caps

thats why i never use them

[planeofdreams]

I voted no because I dont have time to be apart of the raid scene, but I think you have a good idea Tasslehopf. If you really want to make it server wide, I think you should allow TMO members. Random loot/needs before greeds would be just as valid with one of their players participating. Plus fun for everyone = good for the server.

[Pint]

Ive got 4 or 5 59-60 toons that I would park around norrath to assist on kills with, however I would probably only respond to like 1 in 10 batphones. Also you would have to have absolutely nothing to do with coordinating and running such an operation tasslehof since as your forum reputation clearly shows, you are to much of a queen to turn something like this into anything more than a few rnf threads of the same worn out complaints you always rehash.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive got 4 or 5 59-60 toons that I would park around norrath to assist on kills with, however I would probably only respond to like 1 in 10 batphones. Also you would have to have absolutely nothing to do with coordinating and running such an operation tasslehof since as your forum reputation clearly shows, you are to much of a queen to turn something like this into anything more than a few rnf threads of the same worn out complaints you always rehash.

Prolly will be a group effort if there is enough interest in it to make it worth undertaking. I'm sorry you feel that way but this isn't rants and flames so take your pot shots there. Not trying to have my thread shitted up, thanks.

[Splorf22]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

Really good suggestion, loraen.

The issue is that I'm not even quite sure where the leadership of FE falls on this topic of discussion. I mainly just posted this to kind of get a feel for what others thought. What I was hoping is that we could just literally form a coalition among the servers guilds.


Like you suggested you really only need like 6 to 8 people to be on point and aware of whats going on. What I was hoping for was that we could all have our own guilds who operate on their own as usual.

We could pick 2 to 3 targets per week to just have people in the coalition park out at. Since I'm sure most guilds that raid have a batphone, we can just organize a small batphone for each guilds representatives to join. Representatives will be responsible for sending the call out to their respective guilds and making sure that their guildies are parked at the right targets throughout the week

As far as tracking goes and rewarding folks/keeping track of contributions that's where things get complicated as you suggested. I like the idea you propose I'm just not really in a position to approve such a measure. Id really like to hear where other guilds stand on this idea.


I dont really see an easier way for more casual folks to get involved with end game raiding. The idea of zerging shit down sucks, but in my opinion for the folks who need epic peices or gear having to sacrifice RL shit to get those items is worse.

Really though there is so many ways to do this, could even work out a system for rotating which guild gets epic peices and that way they could distribute loot the way they want. Anyone else got some good suggestions that we could discuss further?

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really good suggestion, loraen.

The issue is that I'm not even quite sure where the leadership of FE falls on this topic of discussion. I mainly just posted this to kind of get a feel for what others thought. What I was hoping is that we could just literally form a coalition among the servers guilds.


Like you suggested you really only need like 6 to 8 people to be on point and aware of whats going on. What I was hoping for was that we could all have our own guilds who operate on their own as usual.

We could pick 2 to 3 targets per week to just have people in the coalition park out at. Since I'm sure most guilds that raid have a batphone, we can just organize a small batphone for each guilds representatives to join. Representatives will be responsible for sending the call out to their respective guilds and making sure that their guildies are parked at the right targets throughout the week

As far as tracking goes and rewarding folks/keeping track of contributions that's where things get complicated as you suggested. I like the idea you propose I'm just not really in a position to approve such a measure. Id really like to hear where other guilds stand on this idea.


I dont really see an easier way for more casual folks to get involved with end game raiding. The idea of zerging shit down sucks, but in my opinion for the folks who need epic peices or gear having to sacrifice RL shit to get those items is worse.

Really though there is so many ways to do this, could even work out a system for rotating which guild gets epic peices and that way they could distribute loot the way they want. Anyone else got some good suggestions that we could discuss further?

Tasslehof, why don't you talk to Morphius? He is doing exactly what loraen has suggested and was made an officer for this reason. Maybe you two can work together on getting it up and running. I'm down for the idea, but I believe every raider should be interviewed, prove they have the resist gear and what's needed to mobilize. I'm not giving some random Taken or whatever guilds member an epic just because they follow us around on raids. They better "DO DAMAGE!" and not be there to make our lives harder.

A group of unorganized part time scrubs with absolutely no real leadership, level, or gear would be worse than watching a fraps of TMO and FE competing on a daily basis. We cause enough trains on our own. Go Team Scrub would be raid banned every other raid.