war epic proc bugged?

[khanable]

http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/epiclink.htm

The Blade of Stategy Proc is also Fire based, and is 100DD as well reducing a Mobs ATK by 40 and their AC by 11 for 2 minutes.

The Blade of Tactics is a right clickable effect, which increases Dex by 40, ATT by 30, and AC by 12. This also lasts 2 minutes.

The Warriors are also slightly dissapointed with the primary held 1HS, as it at its current ratio, is not as good as currently available weapons (amiditly from places like VP), and cannot keep up the taunt factor that they require. Also the Blade of Tactics is NOT a right click effect, but a proc, and also most importantly, the buffs that it produces do not allow Cleric buffs to stack.

I think the shittier version is the kunark version (from the archive.org link and above link - with less hp, and what appears to be no hate in the proc)

[Luchino]

If that was the case, does that mean were dealing with some hybrid sword? With more hp but no agro proc? Because the proc seems terrible when it comes to agro.

[khanable]

Sak and I did do tests today.. there definitely was a hate proc it seemed.

This is what I am thinking:

Original warrior epics had 30hp, were debuff/buff (I've found a few sources that claim it should be clicky though broken, then at some point a proc, and then at some point worn effect).

I think at some point they were changed to 50hp and the +500 hate was added to the blade of strategy due to warriors being like wtf bro this shit blows nuts.

Now to find out when..

[Splorf22]

Posted this on the bug forums: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...60#post1089960

[Splorf22]

Edit just for kicks, I plugged the new numbers into my sperglord calculator, and I can see why Furor was pissed. From a pure hate perspective the Blade of Strategy/Tactics combo would rank BELOW the Sarnak Warhammer/Silken Whip! The double VP stun weapons would be about 4% more aggro than even the Epic/Shissar combo that the top level TMO warriors are rocking (although of course less DPS).

That being said, -40ATK is a huge, huge debuff when it lands. And keeping aggro off casters will be substantially easier with lower hate values for their spells.

Overall I'd say its a wash, although losing 40HP on the epic does suck.

[salimoneus]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit just for kicks, I plugged the new numbers into my sperglord calculator, and I can see why Furor was pissed. From a pure hate perspective the Blade of Strategy/Tactics combo would rank BELOW the Sarnak Warhammer/Silken Whip! The double VP stun weapons would be about 4% more aggro than even the Epic/Shissar combo that the top level TMO warriors are rocking (although of course less DPS).

That being said, -40ATK is a huge, huge debuff when it lands. And keeping aggro off casters will be substantially easier with lower hate values for their spells.

Overall I'd say its a wash, although losing 40HP on the epic does suck.

I've been using Sarnak/Whip for some time and have been pretty happy with the aggro that combo generates. I've never charted it out or done any type of analysis, but it's really not a bad way to go considering you can get both for around 7k. The high delay and -5AC on the whip are drawbacks I'm not crazy about, but I think there are a few other choices and no-drops that could probably take the whip's place and hold their own.

Recently picked up rmoy and will be giving that a try over the next few weeks. I'm not convinced the yak proc is going to be anything more than marginally better than the sarnak stun, and the ratio is pretty close to the same. Hard to think it could be worth the 50k+ premium you're going to pay over a sarnak, unless of course you've got plat to burn. I'm also not crazy about moving to a higher delay weapon in main hand, although it's only 2 points. And it just seems wrong to put a 55k weapon in offhand when it costs like 10x your mh weap?

I have heard several (new to them) epic warriors complain about the seemingly mediocre hate generation of the epic, which I actually don't mind hearing as I don't find myself sweating getting the epic as much. Sure I'll make every attempt to strive for it, but I'm not going to lose (much) sleep over it. That and I'm about 500k and a hand short atm.

Interesting thread though, been wondering why this hasn't really come up much. I guess it's just one of those "classic" things and not a whole lot to do about it.

[spoils]

So war strat would look something closer to mallet 5x, then epic wait for debuff, then back to yaks/vp/botbde and back to red epic as needed?

Assuming mob is still alive? Raid mob speaking

[Luchino]

Originally Posted by spoils [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So war strat would look something closer to mallet 5x, then epic wait for debuff, then back to yaks/vp/botbde and back to red epic as needed?

Assuming mob is still alive? Raid mob speaking

2 hammers 3 or 4 if you don't proc in the first 30 seconds. Ill be keeping my vp stuff on full time.

[khanable]

So when you duel someone, it doesn't debuff them?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So when you duel someone, it doesn't debuff them?

this is a good point actually

edit: just tested this with Mikeo, no AC debuff no ATK debuff.