No hope in groups 1-40?

[Lyra]

I'll add, It is DPS responsibility to manage hate situationally.

[Cecily]

Macroing hide and backstab together would be kinda dumb. Just sayin...

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Macroing hide and backstab together would be kinda dumb. Just sayin...

I've never macro'd my hide key to anything either. No need to do so. You would wind up with many instances of getting aggro with your hide ability already being down instead of being able to click it as soon as you get aggro.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never macro'd my hide key to anything either. No need to do so. You would wind up with many instances of getting aggro with your hide ability already being down instead of being able to click it as soon as you get aggro.

Ok, I meant an evade macro that you often hit after backstab. I wasn't clear.

/attack OFF
/doability 6 (or whichever ability menu slot you assigned to your Hide skill)
/attack ON

[fastboy21]

I understood what you meant. Hide is the same ability as evade, if you are a rogue. I just wouldn't macro it to my backstab. I hold it until i get aggro, and then hit it. The exact same way I hit taunt on my war when i lose aggro.

Maybe I'm wrong to do it this way, but it seems to work best for me this way.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understood what you meant. Hide is the same ability as evade, if you are a rogue. I just wouldn't macro it to my backstab. I hold it until i get aggro, and then hit it. The exact same way I hit taunt on my war when i lose aggro.

Maybe I'm wrong to do it this way, but it seems to work best for me this way.

There are a number of problems with waiting until you pull aggro. First, you just rotated the mob. This means all the DPS are suddenly eating ripostes or worst case enrage. Second, your evade might fail. At that point you are praying the tank can save you. So I think it's better to make a hotkey for evade so that you can do it very quickly, and do it as often as you can.

[Lyra]

The macro is the evade and does not include the backstab...

I will edit my post to make it clear.

[fastboy21]

ahh i see what you mean now.

[a_gnoll_pup]

Originally Posted by doeda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it just me or do tanks mostly warriors that I've been grouped with have no concept of how taunt works? (don't spam the button doesn't do anything after you have aggro)
DPS just randomly zergs mobs because its hitting someone other than them(zero use of an assist macro) or because the tank doesn't have a "assist me on X target macro"

I am a bard and I AoE kited from 2-40 and I ended up tanking,slowing/snaring,mezzing up to 4 mobs because with two classes that could CC, they didn't want to assist in crowd controlling in a group last night...or am I just playing with a bunch of down syndrome wow fan boys that got into Everquest?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a bard I have the opposite problem. I have people that are too cautious and have terrible knowledge of general gameplay. Druids that would rather blow their whole mana pool in one nuke whereas they could be dotting for efficiency, melee/tanks that go off on their own, casters that pull aggro with high-hitting DD spells and wonder why they die from aggro, etc. It definitely feels like 99 and no one has any clue how to play the game at maximum for their class.

I end up leaving most groups because they'd rather pull 1 light blue at a time. At that point I find out I am wasting my time and just go aoe kite.

To be fair the same exact thing happened in 1999, it just pisses you off more - now that games like WoW are out and make you hate society.

[runlvlzero]

LOl dumb dps ;p not always the right thing to do. I hate dps that switch once the've been hotkeyd a mob. And all focused on it.

When I pull on my war i will even watch for the mez graphics to start and turn off attack if the enchanter is mezzing the mob I happen to be on. Start again after moving back and splitting them. Smart groups see me do this and wait till mobs are parked and I engage one to /assist. Its a difference in 1-2 seconds of dps and better for people to just wait and figure out whats going on on a big pull. This way enchanter can mez on inc, and can have 2-3 mobs parked with no heals needed.

Another thing people do... is face away from mobs (turn their back on mobs) and "run through mobs" (making the mobs hit them in the back again) rather than slowly backing away a bit. Especially classes with root... sometimes that root or stun will land before someone can pull agro off you.