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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are the derp for using incorrect math (Although I suspect you missed the ib part of his post and posted unintelligently as usual). Nothing you just added was in your first post it is just to cover your idiocy.

I didn't miss his post... I simply posted the more relevant number.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by White Ranger Rides [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He probably underestimated the mental gymnastics you'd go through to skew the fact that an ib/fe server ain't no fuckin different from a TMO server. Understandable.

If you think it isn't different right now in the raid scene it is simply because you haven't been a part of it the last week and a half. I am sure the GMs can tell you exactly how many petitions have been sent over raids and how many fraps they have had to look through with the 2 hour delay in place. I can tell you no one has trained anyone and no one has tried to snipe FTE etc at the encounters I have been involved with.

On top of that listed above the mob distribution outside of VP is overall better in that time frame in the amount of kills some guilds have gotten and the amount of guilds who have gotten a kill. So yes there is a difference in the raid scene at the moment. I mean we can do a tally But I know Taken has like 5 kills...BDA 6 or 7 kills and Divinity 2 kills since this all got implemented. Not to take away from those guilds because there are awesome folks in those guilds... But without the change in the raid scene they likely don't have all of those kills right now.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the last two weeks I've heard FI/IB officers yell at people in vent two different times when it was suggested we go after mobs that they wanted other guilds to take a shot at. I'm not talking about mobs covered by the two hour thing. I'm talking about mobs we had every right to engage immediately. I bet TMO has never seen that from their officers. FE/IB is absolutely different than old TMO. We'll see what the new one is like. So far they sound more amicable.

You were too busy labeling "old tmo" to know us. TMO has wanted to give up mobs to the server for a long long time. But there was always a problem with guild #2 giving them up also. This is proven.

[JayN]

is IB/FE one raiding entity or are they separate; this is kind of important to any rules made up for spawns going forward.

You cant have it both ways, or hell i guess tmo should fragment into several smaller guilds in sake of getting more out of rotations

[Lazie]

Well I can guarantee without a doubt the current environment has allowed the GMs to be way more hands off than they have in a long time in regards to the raid scene. Let's hope it continues.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think it isn't different right now in the raid scene it is simply because you haven't been a part of it the last week and a half. I am sure the GMs can tell you exactly how many petitions have been sent over raids and how many fraps they have had to look through with the 2 hour delay in place. I can tell you no one has trained anyone and no one has tried to snipe FTE etc at the encounters I have been involved with.

On top of that listed above the mob distribution outside of VP is overall better in that time frame in the amount of kills some guilds have gotten and the amount of guilds who have gotten a kill. So yes there is a difference in the raid scene at the moment. I mean we can do a tally But I know Taken has like 5 kills...BDA 6 or 7 kills and Divinity 2 kills since this all got implemented. Not to take away from those guilds because there are awesome folks in those guilds... But without the change in the raid scene they likely don't have all of those kills right now.

This raid rotation plan you had was a 2 week bandaid it had no intention of lasting and was designed around FE not losing their choice mobs(that they really didnt have access to before).

It also worked well for FE/IB because there wasnt a #2 guild filling the old shoes of FE/IB.

To say otherwise is an exercise in idiocy or maybe hard spinning. Which are you?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This raid rotation plan you had was a 2 week bandaid it had no intention of lasting and was designed around FE not losing their choice mobs(that they really didnt have access to before).

It also worked well for FE/IB because there wasnt a #2 guild filling the old shoes of FE/IB.

To say otherwise is an exercise in idiocy or maybe hard spinning. Which are you?

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[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were too busy labeling "old tmo" to know us. TMO has wanted to give up mobs to the server for a long long time. But there was always a problem with guild #2 giving them up also. This is proven.

How long has TMO been completely uncontested and still not given things up? There were times when you had almost no competition at all in the past few years. To be fair, I remember the time you gave away one dragon a week for three weeks. There might have been more than that, but don't pretend like FE, VD, IB or BDA were stopping you from sharing. They haven't consistently been around or able to compete.

We haven't been farming these mobs for three years either. When our competition got suspended for basically the first time ever, FE/IB decided to give up mobs immediately. We're gearing mains not 4th alts.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long has TMO been completely uncontested and still not given things up? There were times when you had almost no competition at all in the past few years. To be fair, I remember the time you gave away one dragon a week for three weeks. There might have been more than that, but don't pretend like FE, VD, IB or BDA were stopping you from sharing. They haven't consistently been around or able to compete.

We haven't been farming these mobs for three years either. When our competition got suspended for basically the first time ever, FE/IB decided to give up mobs immediately. We're gearing mains not 4th alts.
Mains and Second Mains? Sorry we call all but 1 of our characters alts.

We left dragons up for DAYS at a time... HOPING people would attempt them. Vox/Naggy/Gore/Tal have all been up for days when there wasnt competition without any serious attempts. I mean occasionally Div or BDA would attempt something... and we would cheer them on... offer resist gear donations... and buff them.

We only mobilized on alot of these when we noticed VD in the past and babyFE in the present.

Mobs were there... casuals didn't care. Not TMO's fault sorry buddy.

[White Ranger Rides]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think it isn't different right now in the raid scene it is simply because you haven't been a part of it the last week and a half. I am sure the GMs can tell you exactly how many petitions have been sent over raids and how many fraps they have had to look through with the 2 hour delay in place. I can tell you no one has trained anyone and no one has tried to snipe FTE etc at the encounters I have been involved with.

How many petitions and fraps do you think were sent in while ib/fe were suspended a couple weeks ago, dum dum?