Sirken's proposal - Page 4

Mezzmur · #31 01-03-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So by refusing to DA stall tank, FTE snipe, leapfrog, train with plausible deniability, and create mounds of petitions and issues for you to mediate we have therefore given up our opportunity to see end game content. Got it.

Old system is gone. This new proposal is fair, it's over 50% of all targets to tier 2, but still allows for growth and a top end, yet reserves targets for guilds who want to get in a rotation and only kill in their way.

Thulack · #32 01-03-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So by refusing to DA stall tank, FTE snipe, leapfrog, train with plausible deniability, and create mounds of petitions and issues for you to mediate we have therefore given up our opportunity to see end game content. Got it.

Mezzmur · #33 01-03-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not at all what i said, and not at all what the post i quoted said.

but A+ trying to stick words in my mouth

I want to, in your mouth.

Exmo · #34 01-03-2014, 02:27 PM

So trackers for trak Must be a COTH Mage and a toon that can Lavant/Succor and the Camped force must be at the Succor Location.

Got it. Still not really a race.

But it's an Improvement for sure.

I'd like to see Rules around specific encounters to make them less a shitshow.

Whoever gets FTE on the CT Spawned Draco gets 20 Minutes to attempt CT, other guilds must leave the zone.

Tola and the 4 Juggs Can't Be Skipped Prior to Trak Engage, so whoever pulls them gets 20 minutes for trak.

Basically the Ragefire Pearl Rule for each Encounter. Shit make it 1 attempt, rather than 20 minutes, I don't care, but part of the solution has to be eliminating the incentive to pull without control over the situation, because that's what allowed the current mentality to flourish.

Maximius · #35 01-03-2014, 02:27 PM

If we get rid of the current FTE rules and use a First In Force type system it would eliminate a lot of training and therefore a lot of GM headache...

But why would the top tier let that happen when you can send a 4khp monk to javelin a mob? People are arguing about stall tactics with DA idols, whirlwind, etc. FTE timer is the ultimate stall tactic.

Mezzmur · #36 01-03-2014, 02:28 PM

By the way, on avgerage, you're talking about ONE CT, Inny, and VS PER MONTH that is FFA. Tier 2 can FTE those still but tier 1 cannot get in on your rotation of 1 less. This is 100% fair.

falkun · #37 01-03-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Old system is gone. This new proposal is fair, it's over 50% of all targets to tier 2, but still allows for growth and a top end, yet reserves targets for guilds who want to get in a rotation and only kill in their way.

Its one week (8 days) of non-interference on Tier2, the rest is FFA, as it has been for the last couple years. There are stipulations that hopefully decrease PNP infractions, but those will still require fraps and petitionquest. Tier2 wants to cut PNP infractions with a rotation, Sirken wants to cut PNP infractions with a heavy hand of justice. Personally, I'd rather have the justice, but justice is grey and history shows its difficult to actually enforce. Maybe the punishments are harsh enough to deter PNP infraction occurances?

Moodie · #38 01-03-2014, 02:29 PM

I don't like the part where a single Trak kill locks you as a Tier 1 guild.

Derubael · #39 01-03-2014, 02:30 PM

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sounds pretty selfish. T1 guilds are giving up mobs, T2 guilds are gaining mobs, nobody loves it 100%,

kinda sounds perfect to me

Razdeline · #40 01-03-2014, 02:30 PM

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If we get rid of the current FTE rules and use a First In Force type system it would eliminate a lot of training and therefore a lot of GM headache...

But why would the top tier let that happen when you can send a 4khp monk to javelin a mob? People are arguing about stall tactics with DA idols, whirlwind, etc. FTE timer is the ultimate stall tactic.

If another guild gets FTE on a mob, only the guild that has FTE should attack it.

That's how it was on live, and it worked.