Unbrella - Page 4

Gaffin 3.0 · #31 01-09-2014, 05:33 PM

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baalzy · #32 01-09-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a database of 13,609 characters.

That does nothing to tell us about the number of players. The only thing we have to go off of are the nightly server numbers which hover around 1,000. TMO alone has over 120 active players. Also, you've yet to address the question of why should we count people that have no demonstrable stake in the raid scene.

TMO, FE, and IB are certainly not the majority of the server, but when you discount those who do not raid several different groups will be identifiable. While these three guilds are are not a majority of those concerned with the end game, they are very likely a strong plurality.

Yes I'm aware it's based on characters. So what. Are you arguing that TMO members have more alts or fewer alts than any one else on the server? It seems entirely likely to me that TMO also has more characters which don't "belong" to anybody but are shared port/buff/tracking bots which would proportionally make your total player count lower.

And while my point of calling you guys less than 5% of the server is conflated, my actual numbers still demonstrates that the 'tier 2' guilds combined are more than twice your number and I'm pretty sure those people are invested enough to 'count' when discussing end-game.

Or are you going to insist that TMO members have fewer alts than non-TMO members?

Frieza_Prexus · #33 01-09-2014, 05:34 PM

No, I'm just pointing out that the numbers Baalzy posted aren't the same as what he said they are. I'm also trying to make the point that not all warm bodies should merit consideration in these discussions, only those with a tangible stake.

I do see Unbrella's point, without condemning or condoning what he's asking for, that the negotiations are heavily influenced by outside intervention shifting the natural balance of power.

Funkutron5000 · #34 01-09-2014, 05:37 PM

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Yes I'm aware it's based on characters. So what. Are you arguing that TMO members have more alts or fewer alts than any one else on the server? It seems entirely likely to me that TMO also has more characters which don't "belong" to anybody but are shared port/buff/tracking bots which would proportionally make your total player count lower.

And while my point of calling you guys less than 5% of the server is conflated, my actual numbers still demonstrates that the 'tier 2' guilds combined are more than twice your number and I'm pretty sure those people are invested enough to 'count' when discussing end-game.

Or are you going to insist that TMO members have fewer alts than non-TMO members?

Either way, are you condoning a majority group oppressing a minority group? It kind of sounds like you are. Racist.

baalzy · #35 01-09-2014, 05:38 PM

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No, I'm just pointing out that the numbers Baalzy posted aren't the same as what he said they are. I'm also trying to make the point that not all warm bodies should merit consideration in these discussions, only those with a tangible stake.

I do see Unbrella's point, without condemning or condoning what he's asking for, that the negotiations are heavily influenced by outside intervention shifting the natural balance of power.

I respect ya, believe me I do Xasten because you're demonstrated yourself to be level headed and fair-minded, but arguing that 'prime time population' should count completely discounts Europas stake in all of this and from a tagged character standpoint they're not that far behind TMO.

Raavak · #36 01-09-2014, 05:39 PM

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Rogean pointed out that he was being a sociopath, and Unbrella starting whining about how FE and TMO were the only people on the server that mattered.

No, he was inferring that FE/TMO/IB play EQ to raid, every day, as much as they can, and that the people who play EQ to farm plat and want to occasionally raid something (if its not too much of a hassle) are sitting back and not coming to a compromise doing what they love to do best, which is not raid.

Raavak · #37 01-09-2014, 05:42 PM

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... completely discounts Europas stake in all of this...

Europa was against last Sunday's agreement?

baalzy · #38 01-09-2014, 05:44 PM

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Either way, are you condoning a majority group oppressing a minority group? It kind of sounds like you are. Racist.

Depends on what you consider 'oppressing'. So far we've had a deal rejected by the minority group which would have given that minority 66% of the mobs and we've had a deal get retracted where the majority group would have only got 25% of the mobs and this was also dissatisfying to them.

Maybe a compromise needs to be met where itsa 70/30 minority/majority split, I don't know but all of this spin about tier2 oppressing tier1 is bull.

Alarti0001 · #39 01-09-2014, 05:45 PM

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You still don't get it do you? You are the minority. I keep thinking about Mitt Romney talking shit on the 47% and then he gets 47% of the vote lol. That is you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you are the minority. Don't you get it?

Alarti0001 · #40 01-09-2014, 05:46 PM

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Welcome to the club.

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Where did that number come from?

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