Bards & AE in zones where players XP.

[NextGenesis88]

This is petitionable so yeah not sure why anyone would be on the bards side who is swarming a large amount of GREEN mobs during peak hours with a bunch of people appropriately leveled. You said you played 3 Bards so clearly biased. Sounds troll worthy for sure.

Bards don't NEED to swarm kite.. they can also group too and I would applaud a bard who groups and plays his role there well. I do not applaud this scenario though and I don't see how anyone could except the guy doing it, but hey reputation is all on you and that's one repercussion if not being petitioned. If anything swarm kiting goes against what classic EQ is all about whether it's classic or not. It's basically the same category as the huge swarming on the live servers just in the realm of what you can do in classic. I am not against it, but I am against certain actions no matter what class you are. It's not solely against bards, it's just simple manners and respectful actions. This is just a completely selfish thing to do and you cannot claim half of a whole zone or a whole zone unless there isn't anybody there or they have no problem with it.

It's like this guy would be standing up for the bard in any case. When do you draw the line? I'm not afraid to stand out against this because anyone in their right mind should see why this cannot always fly. If nobody mentions any issues during these occasions then okay, then don't expect anything to change and don't come to complain about it after. First step should be to politely ask the person if he could leave a fair amount of mobs up for everyone else. Stay respectful no matter what and if they tell you no or keep ignoring you then petition.

Also would like to state that I played a bard to 49 without swarming once. Doesn't have to mean anything. Just grouping as a bard can be fun. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kazi]

I think it's funny this guy is basically saying bards can only level by swarming. Ever try grouping?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hollywood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait what?
Retard is retard.
Mentally deficient does nothing but make you sound like some spineless douchebag PC liberal.

Ok, don't use "mentally deficient" then; that was just an example.

I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll keep it simple: I personally don't see a need to use words that offend groups of people. I was pointing out the fact that the term "retard" has been singled out by the mentally handicapped community. If you don't believe me google "retard offensive".

But look, use whatever words you want to express yourself. All I'm saying is, some people might get offended when you do.

[Unidus]

Sure it's classic but on live it was a rare sight so it wasn't a big deal. On this server most bards know about it and how to do it because of Youtube and all the forum posts about it. So it is now a non rare sight and is freaking annoying and it needs to be banned.

[Shaniril]

Originally Posted by Kazi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's funny this guy is basically saying bards can only level by swarming. Ever try grouping?

The rampant bard-hate makes it difficult to find a group willing to take you. Speaking from experience (though I've yet to find a group that DIDN'T like me being there after inviting!)

[reborn649]

Just for clarification... I never once have spoken against bards being in groups. I grouped on 2 of my bards and loved it way more than swarming. Not sure how everyone's panties got in a twist bcuz I'm not necessarily defending this swarming bard. I'm simply proposing the argument of there being way more places to level in groups versus areas a bard has to swarm in. Simply looking at this whole scenario from a different perspective instead of joining the typical bandwagon of the last 5000 posts about bards swarming. No trolling intended ladies and gents. Didn't realize throwing something out for arguments sake would cause such an outrage for the forum trolls..

[veejur]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not necessarily defending this swarming bard. I'm simply proposing the argument of there being way more places to level in groups versus areas a bard has to swarm in. Simply looking at this whole scenario from a different perspective instead of joining the typical bandwagon of the last 5000 posts about bards swarming

Backpedal much?

[Sarajo]

I really want to answer this all. I typed up a two page reply and everything. But my painkillers kicked in and I have no idea what I'm saying anymore.

Here's some thoughts though:

-I don't AoE kite anymore. Look at the trend: The more there are, the more lag there is, the worse you'll get at it --> the more you'll die and the more XP you'll lose. It's like those painkillers I took tonight; I have a cousin who's been addicted to pills for years now; the more you take, the more your dopamine receptors burn out and the more you need to trigger those dopamine receptors which you can only do by taking more of what triggers your dopamine which is less pleasurable than the time before because now you're an addict.
Sucka.

-Charm kiting and chanting and snaring and all that is so much more interesting, and you're not fucking everyone else who plays in the zone. Hence, you're not fucking yourself as often, because you're not succumbing to the lag that you helped create.

-You can make almost as much XP by charming mob a, snaring mob b, letting mob a beat mob b to death, then charming mob c, beating mob b, etc. in a technique called "Recursive slaughter is recursive". Later, when you can pull 5 things and have 4 of them attack 1 of them, you'll definitely get XP as fast as pulling half the zone. Why? Because when you're doing your AoE kiting, you're spending 20 minutes out of each hour gathering spawns to burn down. Then a wizard mob gets social aggro, or you notice that something in the pack has a name, and when you ALT-TAB to the wiki on autorun, you find out it's 15 levels above you, so now you have to drag that pack 5000 meters to a zoneline just to come back and waste another 10 minutes getting the swarm back together. This reminds me of people who spend $2000 on graphics cards to daisy-chain to farm bitcoins, because they might manage to crack $135 worth of encryption someday.

So bottom line: charm kiting and chanting are almost as good in XP per hour, and you're not contributing to the lag that is going to come right back to haunt you and start you moving in the wrong direction. But sometimes you just feel like you have no other option, and I get that; first charm at level 27, first chant at 30? Practice charming and chanting because there are wonderful things that happen when you charm casters, and now you can hunt stuff that you'd never be able to kill with your groping-range AoE! (like Frost Giants)

[indiscriminate_hater]

^ Don't snare the mob. Let your pet gain aggro so they beat each other up. Break charm when one gets below 5%

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by NextGenesis88 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If anything swarm kiting goes against what classic EQ is all about whether it's classic or not.

O rlly? Says you...

I'm pretty sure I remember Nilbog saying that this server was going to be about making classic EQ "the good with the bad". People being dicks and jerks is a big part of what classic eq was in reality (not the romanticized vision folks want to recall). You want classic eq? Get ready for a game where you can be a good guy or a jerk off without the mechanics of the game stopping you. P1999 wins here, and I love it.

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27260

But, I guess its not about that according to some.