Game Mechanics: Rogue hide - Page 4

Supaskillz · #31 05-09-2014, 12:33 AM

logs really better than screen shots so we can verify no one cast spells on you and no bard songs hit you and at least rule out things.

I am no MM expert, but I know wiki says that area has a trap that strips invis spells. Not sure if this trap is active in this time frame, also unsure if it strips hide in addition to invis. If it is stripping hide then there is a problem with it not showing hide has been dropped in a similar way to issue with opening a trade.

Scrubosaur · #32 05-09-2014, 02:58 AM

There was no bard so you can rule that out. I have been in that same room quite a few times to sneak pull the 2 spawns behind the doors and have never run into a trap that has gone off. If this was an isolated incident it could be a possibility, but as I previously posted this happened 5-6 times in Unrest on the main floor while soloing.

Nirgon · #33 05-09-2014, 01:49 PM

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This is extreamly valuable and makes rogues the only class that can be invis to living and undead beings at the same time.

Oh yeah invis/IVU shouldn't stack evidence. Feels goog.

Erati · #34 05-09-2014, 02:09 PM

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Oh yeah invis/IVU shouldn't stack evidence. Feels goog.

your quote proves nothing besides pointing out rogues being the only CLASS that can be ivu and invis without the help of others, hence them using the phrase 'the only class'.

that quote does not have anything to do with the spells Invisibility and Invis to Undead stacking on a player when it is cast on them from other people.

It simply highlights the fact that rogues can do this alone, without another class required.

Nirgon · #35 05-09-2014, 02:43 PM

Naw. Dat's a good piece of evidence.

Matches my recollectin's.

Tikker · #36 05-11-2014, 02:01 AM

The other thing that's currently broken is that if a rogue has invis OR ivu cast on him, it should function as invisible + ivu

The patch on live when plane of sky went live clearly states that

Tikker · #37 05-11-2014, 02:03 AM

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...st/FPJmfQtRXZY

Scrubosaur · #38 05-11-2014, 02:56 AM

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This would be an upgrade over what we have now. As it stands we walk at a crawl and see invis mobs can see us. It would be easier to run around with sow and a couple of clicky invis items and be seen by the same stuff we are seen by now in hide/sneak. It would also be easier to tell when your iv/itu drops with a buff vs now not knowing when it suddenly drops for no reason (as I have posted above).

Tikker · #39 05-11-2014, 03:12 AM

See invis should see thru hide/sneak. They always did. There was a change in omens of war expansion that added the shroud of stealth aa that changed it to only specific mobs could see all invis/hide.

At 60 hide sneak should be almost full speed but not quite. It was again later aa that enable that

And sneak/hide should NEVER randomly drop or fail. Mob either cons indif or scowls, that's it

4WOFURY · #40 05-11-2014, 03:23 AM

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See invis should see thru hide/sneak. They always did. There was a change in omens of war expansion that added the shroud of stealth aa that changed it to only specific mobs could see all invis/hide

Lol no.

Quote from my other thread in server chat.

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This entire statement is false.

The evidence I posted shows that not only was sneak/hide better than invis/ivu in regards to what mobs could see through it, but also that the snare effect wore off through levels 51-60 gradually.

Shroud of Stealth was introduced with Planes of Power at level 63, and was an even more enhanced version of sneak/hide. With it, no classic mob period could see through hide; I remember having screen shots of sitting next to Nagafen, though those are long gone. This is irrelevant to the discussion however.

Shroud of Stealth

SoS was PoP, lvl 63. It was an further improvement of hide, so even the select mobs that could see through hide in classic, couldn't anymore.

Rogue Hide is simply superior to regular invis, or so it should be (as it was in classic).

Otherwise, why don't we all roll monks? At least they can FD when they get to a see invis.