Shamen Vs. Druids as Soloers

[azxten]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

druids are fucking worthless indoors

Your primary method of soloing as a Shaman is either root rot or slowing mobs while you heal through it (which I think might be more of a torpor thing). So, Druids do the same thing indoors. How does that make them worthless indoors?

You have a serious problem with making retarded statements just like Talu said, "To say that SO many are better than a druid at soloing is retarded though." You take a tiny discrepancy and then turn it into this true/false statement. Is a Shaman better than a Druid indoors? Yes? Ok, then a Druid is now worthless indoors.

[yaeger]

They both suck, play a real class like a ranger.

[quido]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your primary method of soloing as a Shaman is either root rot or slowing mobs while you heal through it (which I think might be more of a torpor thing). So, Druids do the same thing indoors. How does that make them worthless indoors?

You have a serious problem with making retarded statements just like Talu said, "To say that SO many are better than a druid at soloing is retarded though." You take a tiny discrepancy and then turn it into this true/false statement. Is a Shaman better than a Druid indoors? Yes? Ok, then a Druid is now worthless indoors.

Ok yes, saying a druid is worthless indoors is an overstatement. I think you're too defensive of your class though. Are you 50? Let's go side-by-side soloing indoors. I bet you feel pretty worthless. Yes we use the same general strategy, but the rate at which I can kill things is much quicker than you. Most of the really niche things a druid can do soloing are void indoors. Yes you can root too, druid! But then let's see you kill that mob. Then let's see you do it again without having to med for five minutes. Say whatever you like, I say we put it to a test if you want to argue. Let's piece together an objective system of gauging the solo abilities of a class indoors. We can speculate and argue until the cows come home (I don't know how long that takes but I think it's a long while, possibly never). Druids aren't just a little worse indoors; they are a lot worse. And I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying they're not nearly as effective.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could probably solo arch magi, possibly break it.

I really doubt that either of us could solo the Arch Magi. He would nuke the fuck out of us. He's nuked Malcolm's dar pets to death when I couldn't land enough stuns.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really doubt that either of us could solo the Arch Magi. He would nuke the fuck out of us. He's nuked Malcolm's dar pets to death when I couldn't land enough stuns.

Why wouldn't you just root rot him around the corner where he can't cast?

[quido]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why wouldn't you just root rot him around the corner where he can't cast?

Tal and I were just talking about this. I'm pretty sure that if a mob has line of sight on you when he starts casting he'll still land the spell on you unless you get out of his spell's range. So if AM starts casting nuke while rooted and I run around the corner, he'll still land the nuke. He won't be able to begin casting a second nuke until I enter his line of sight again, but clearly that'll need to happen. I don't know, I think it could possibly be done. I've been wanting to try on my shaman for a while. AM is also one of the most resistant mobs in Guk.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tal and I were just talking about this. I'm pretty sure that if a mob has line of sight on you when he starts casting he'll still land the spell on you unless you get out of his spell's range.

Negative, the mob will interrupt its casting and immediately try to reach LoS. If its rooted it just stops casting until you enter LoS again. So as long as your cast time was < the mobs cast time, you shouldnt ever get hit.

[Eternal-Elf]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Negative, the mob will interrupt its casting and immediately try to reach LoS. If its rooted it just stops casting until you enter LoS again. So as long as your cast time was < the mobs cast time, you shouldnt ever get hit.

Eh, i can't say from experience on the Arch magi....but Orc Prophet in Crushbone deff. doesn't need LINE of sight to blast the shit out of you. Pet was on him and rooted him right near Zone line and I went around corner.....still got blasted. I think it may be based on Zone structure as well not sure......

but if you get bored you can always go beat up on the orc prophet and test the theory lol!

[azxten]

In my experience some spells seem to continue casting and land at which point no other spells are cast until LOS is obtained. Other spells they'll fail to cast and try to get LOS immediately. Also, running out of spell range always guarantees they stop and chase.

In any case, even if he gets one or two casts off every time you have to reroot you should be able to heal/regen it back while you're sitting around waiting on DoTs/root to fade.

[quido]

I know the Ghoul Sage nails me around that corner every time I fight him.