Chardok AoE Groups and the Rules

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I totally agree, but its instilling doubt/confidence in the interloper's mind... subtley encouraging him not to interfere.

I'd shut down Chardok AOE tomorrow, used to be a good zone to group in.

I gotcha now. I'd call it strongarming not rules lawyering :P

Lets start training royals on them!

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Tooty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally cannot camp any pather in the zone for my Chardok Pipe b/c every 20 minutes there's a giant train that takes almost every mob in the zone to the entrance simultaneously causing deaths intentionally (they know there are folks out there in the zone at risk) and monopolizing/engaging/occupying most or all of the mobs in a non-raid area.

I told them I'd rather camp it myself and would be happy to camp in a place they didnt pull. They basically stated that they don't know where all the mobs path so they cant guarantee I won't be trained.

You seem to be under the impression that any pather can spawn the betrayer, that is not the case. You need to set up in the levitate tunnel or the cubby (safespot) and clear the statics so you can pull the three roamers that go up and down that specific hallway to pop the betrayer.

The tunnel to the left up on the wall from the castle is the one you need to head toward and go down from there.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pullers usually tag one of the mobs at the entrance of the levi tunnel as part of their pull and it causes it to path through the zone gathering up a ton of spawns (including your 3 roamers from the levi tunnel) to zone in.

[Swish]

pras Ele

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pras Ele

pras Swish gifs

[Rais]

I wouldn't recommend going down and sitting in the path of their pull. You getting ran over because of a tantrum won't work. Ask Taken about being ran over by Inny and his room when TMO were pulling him. Precedent is set on that already.

It's easy to camp the pipe if you want, even with them pulling. After they clear, move down and kill them as soon as they all respawn. Some maybe staggered, some not. I would say kill the ones at the top of the tunnel and work your way down, so when they pull nothing will agro you. Don't really even need to kill it all. Just keep the top few dead, so the roamer paths up to you to kill.

You could keep that area clear, and camp there. Highly doubtful you can solo the tunnel in this fashion, but you could be the best shaman ever and can.

Or sit at zone in and cry for no reason. Make threads crying over how unfair it is, when you can do the camp as you want in the first place.

[Tooty]

Rais this isn't a raid zone and according to the rules they are in different categories. So just because a guild was trained in a plane and nothing happen does not necessarily mean getting trained in a non-raid zone is considered the same. I suppose you are suggesting I invis and pray there is no chokidai when the remainder of the swarm returns to their spawns?

[Rais]

So then you are saying you have no way to get down there in the first place? What is the issue then? Either they wipe or they kill their pull. They kill it, no swarm will engulf and you move down. If they wipe, then you are stuck at zone in hoping no chokidai are up, and you are back at square one not being able to do what you want. And it isn't because of the aoe group.

Just go down there after they do an AoE pull and set up shop. Take advantage of their pull/clear.

A guild being trained for intentionally getting in the way of a pull, is the same thing as a player intentionally sitting in the way of a pull in a zone. This is mainly in reference of posts from uniformed people telling you to sit in the path at the fort just to get them in trouble. It is also with you starting off your first post stating how they are breaking server rules, when they are not. Being a raid or group/players having a pissing contest can be considered the same. I will bet you anything Sirken will rule the same way. He may come here just to say otherwise just to say I'm wrong tho. He can be devious.

If your hopes are just get people in trouble, you will end up on the wrong end of the stick. There is a workable situation to this and I laid it out for you.

The chardok aoe groups have always in my eyes as a player and former staff member worked with people. Most times I saw them just give the pipe away. If you want to claim not to want handouts, then just ask if you can pull him off the pull and solo kill it.


My previous post told you exactly how to kill the roamer/pipe mob without being trained while taking advantage of a successful aoe pull to do so. I have also warned you how trying to intentionally being killed will be bad for you. You can make it work, it isn't a huge mid life crisis.

[feanan]

If he sets up at fort, and pulls stuff there...he is at a camp. If you pull the rest of the zone through/around him, I'd think the AE group would be getting in some trouble.

Or are you are saying people can just set up at zone in anywhere and pull what they want with no issues? So, disco or chef to zone in seb, no issues with that? And if I die and the returning train kills other groups, not my problem?

Think we need a GM ruling on this one.

GM's...where are you?

[Tooty]

So explain to me how I can avoid being railed by the leftovers of a successful aoe. They never kill EVERY mob. Or haven't in the 15 or so pulls I've watched now. They also frequently wipe. If, as you suggest, I take their clear and move down to a good spot, how do I prevent these mobs coming back to their spawn points from raping me? Is there a spot you know of that's not on the pull path that has a pather that can be the Iksar Betrayer? Ele up there seems to think the levi tunnel is pretty much the only spot to get the betrayer... I'm not planning to intentionally die to a train. I have been in contact with the puller of the current group and he's leaving me a section up to kill. No group has ever offered to give a pipe just sell me one.

Also, just so you know I can without much difficulty solo my way through the zone so I'm confused by the "have no way to get down there" argument.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by feanan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If he sets up at fort, and pulls stuff there...he is at a camp. If you pull the rest of the zone through/around him, I'd think the AE group would be getting in some trouble.