Game Mechanics: Ancient Shissar Gauntlet didn't exist til almost Velious

[Man0warr]

Who cares it's almost Velious, so they should be in whoever is right.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who cares it's almost Velious, so they should be in whoever is right.

Because hopefully this and red aren't the only versions of P99 ever released. Us classholes would like to experience, one day, a fresh timeline server in all its intricacies.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because hopefully this and red aren't the only versions of P99 ever released. Us classholes would like to experience, one day, a fresh timeline server in all its intricacies.

This.

Imagine the majority of Kunark where Torpor drains your mana! Oh so glorious.

Imagine when Venril Sathir will have 2 Green Stones every kill from the epic patch onward. Such wow.

[Ele]

Is it conceivable that very few or none dropped between April 24, 2000 (release) and Oct. 4, 2000 (date in OP)? Is it also conceivable that if a pair did drop that the receiving guild did not publicize it? Is it also conceivable that if it did have the right click turn into Cleric hammer effect, that the initial pairs were lost?

Magelo has a current drop rate of 6% on the gloves, which honestly seems high.

Let's be generous and say 1 VS a week between April 24, 2000 and Oct. 4, 2000 = ~5 months or 20 weeks or 20 VS.

There were ~36 servers, including test, by Velious' release.

Being extremely generous, that gives us 720 VS kills by Oct. 4, 2000 across all the servers. In actuality, it was maybe half that many VS kills in the relevant time frame.

720 VS * 6% = ~43 gloves per drop slot (VS has two possible drop spots), so about 90 gloves over all considering both drop slots.

[wycca]

There's a post as early as June discussing the gloves w/transmute, more around Oct, trails off Jan/Feb 01.

[Daldaen]

I'd tend to say Eratani is right though. No item linking, and no first hand accounts. Just people talking about two sets of amazing gloves with similar tier of stats that are extremely rare.

There are plenty of examples of this where people confused loot tables and drops. Even in PoP when item linking was in, Thangbrand and Valbrand in BoT had mixed up loot tables. Enraged and Enchanted Boars in PoTactics people would add loot from one to the other etc.

When it's two gauntlets with identical graphics that are 5% drops from hard raid mobs, I'm inclined to say that it's some hearsay about what gloves VS Really dropped.

A screenshot of them with the clicky, or a screenshot of them on corpse or a guild update, with vibrating gauntlets off VS would suffice as evidence for me. But I don't think any of those will happen

[koros]

Originally Posted by wycca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a post as early as June discussing the gloves w/transmute, more around Oct, trails off Jan/Feb 01.

Which post discusses them around June? That would be pretty good evidence that they did exist earlier than October at least.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd tend to say Eratani is right though. No item linking, and no first hand accounts. Just people talking about two sets of amazing gloves with similar tier of stats that are extremely rare.

There are plenty of examples of this where people confused loot tables and drops. Even in PoP when item linking was in, Thangbrand and Valbrand in BoT had mixed up loot tables. Enraged and Enchanted Boars in PoTactics people would add loot from one to the other etc.

When it's two gauntlets with identical graphics that are 5% drops from hard raid mobs, I'm inclined to say that it's some hearsay about what gloves VS Really dropped.

A screenshot of them with the clicky, or a screenshot of them on corpse or a guild update, with vibrating gauntlets off VS would suffice as evidence for me. But I don't think any of those will happen

These gloves definitely had the clicky. Too many people reference it. It probably shouldn't be included as it was clearly unintentional and changed pretty quickly.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131030...html?item=3582

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They are dropped off VS in KC. The pictures are different because the effect was bugged, my gaunts had the effect, transmute hammer, but i never clicked em because they then turned into a cleric hammer and then back into the cleric gloves, but never back into the orig gaunts.

I got them a long time ago, and have never heard of them dropping again. They may have been taken outta the loot table considering they are better than the majority of robes an int caster can find out there anyway.

[Erati]

right thats what Ive been saying

Bugged Shissar Gloves that got fixed instantly != VS dropping Vib Gaunlets

but bc the effect was the same in some pics, clerics began to speculate as in general most didnt know or have any info on the real Vibrating gloves nor actually saw them

[wycca]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which post discusses them around June? That would be pretty good evidence that they did exist earlier than October at least.

Sorry it was July - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413


Erati - first it isn't real. Next it's something about links not being in. Then it's they were obviously in for only a short time. Do you have any links or quotes to support this? Theres been quite a bit posted to support this items existence, but do you have any counter posts to disprove?

There's at least 4 first hand sources linked of people who looted them or whose guild was farming them. Timeline appears that they could have been in as of Velious at that, not exactly "quickly fixed". July00->Oct 00 for sure -> Jan/Feb 01 commentary. Definitely out by Aug 01.