Cleric Curiosity

[Bokke]

Originally Posted by Rushmore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So getting jumped the last few days and having to gate and run ...reminded me

Why don't cleric's get anything that lands in PVP? Every caster can do something but Cleric can't do SHIT! Does anyone else think clerics should get something even if it's a high level stun/nuke. I mean something.... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Come on!

When we were crying about the resist system and Nilbog changed it was it intended to do this to clerics? Was it classic as well!?

I remember cleric nuke landing maybe 1/3 of the time or so in PvP on high MR (300+) targets in PoP. Not sure if the tables changed after luclin/PoP to allow that, and I don't remember Velious. Enchanter nukes also landed about the same amount of time after tash, and they aren't landing at all right now.

Some one could enlighten me maybe but is priest/caster melee really 'off' right now? I also remember being able to actually melee people and do decent damage on my cleric. Right now it feels like hit chance for casters is crazy low and the damage is capped really low when you do hit. I'm not sure if this was classic or not. I remember there was a <Pandemonium> enchanter, I think Mythd, that used rod of annhilation and used to out-joust melee.

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I think resists in general will need to be looked at in Velious at some point. Right now if you're 160+ nothing but lures or speciality spells are going to land. Druid & mage nukes in particular should be landing for partial damage way more than they are out-right resisting right now. I've also seen weird situations where some one will resist 2-3 nukes fully and then get hit for full damage.

[Bokke]

Originally Posted by Pumped [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On live long casting time magic based nukes above 40 never resisted ever

you might get a partial of 50% or less sometimes, but never an outright resist

they implemented a blanket resist system here and its dogshit, partials are stupid and not classic as it is.

Maybe, I honestly don't remember exactly how they worked.

I just know that chanters and clerics landed nukes on me at 350MR. I also know I landed (50%-80% damage) partials on the majority of my casts with fire based druid nukes, after ro, on Pandemonium targets. |

It's not like re-visiting the resists issue for Velious would break anything. Melee are already nuts and health-bars are going to practically double for some people.

[HippoNipple]

If you want to be able to heal/damage/debuff/buff/crowd control be a shaman. If you want to be the best healer you have to be cleric and sacrifice the debuff.

[Kergan]

My vague recollection of live was that you very rarely got outright resists on any nuke without a stun/root component to them (i.e. ench nukes, druid dmg roots, wizard interrupt nukes, cleric stun+dmg), but MR based ones usually partial resisted for garbage damage. The exception being the level 8 ench nuke chaotic feedback that almost always landed (and interrupted).

[TarukShmaruk]

^

Resists were kinda weird on live..I guess there's more data now to know why things worked the way they do but basically it was:

-anything with some extra component had a super easy chance to be fully resisted. stun or forced interrupt (which was just a .1 sec stun anyway iirc)

-full resists on nukes without secondary effects seemed to be like a 5% chance regardless of your resists. resist gear would simply mitigate your damage. on my testing with CR and ice comet you'd get a ton of partial resists with high CR, but your full resists were the same as if you had no CR.

-spells with a pushback were the same as above

-certain spells seemed to ignore resists completely and only have the base 5% chance to resist - druid swarm dot line, almost all necro dots except heart flutter line and clinging darkness, necro taps

MR nukes with no other component were just like fire nukes or cold nukes - they'd land for full or partial almost always, and pretty much never fully resist except that base chance regardless of your MR

[Bokke]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^

Resists were kinda weird on live..I guess there's more data now to know why things worked the way they do but basically it was:

-anything with some extra component had a super easy chance to be fully resisted. stun or forced interrupt (which was just a .1 sec stun anyway iirc)

-full resists on nukes without secondary effects seemed to be like a 5% chance regardless of your resists. resist gear would simply mitigate your damage. on my testing with CR and ice comet you'd get a ton of partial resists with high CR, but your full resists were the same as if you had no CR.

-spells with a pushback were the same as above

-certain spells seemed to ignore resists completely and only have the base 5% chance to resist - druid swarm dot line, almost all necro dots except heart flutter line and clinging darkness, necro taps

MR nukes with no other component were just like fire nukes or cold nukes - they'd land for full or partial almost always, and pretty much never fully resist except that base chance regardless of your MR

This actually sounds pretty accurate to me.
I'd add on a tangent necro spell Pyrocuror was almost guaranteed land and it was FR based. It along with splurt were the two go-to dots for necros in highly geared pvp. It resists a ton atm on r99.

[Coffee]

i never had any probs

guess offensive clerics aint 4 weak minded followers

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by Coffee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i never had any probs

guess offensive clerics aint 4 weak minded followers

i miss lure of reckoning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Buhbuh]

Ya they fucked up the pyro line a few patches back

[Bokke]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya they fucked up the pyro line a few patches back

That explains it.
The rage Katrasle expresses when its resisted is absurd. He used to land that 100% of the time on PDM targets.