Spells: Cinda's Charismatic Carillon

[Roufas]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With regards to all the memories about how awesome it used to be, im gonna have to nope.jpg all over you. my main was a bard.

My description is how it should be working. It sounds like there may be something in the source overriding the actual modifier calculation and causing it to make a much larger jump than should be possible.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...07362463284315

I don't know what else to say, this song got broken based on one person's testimony and now that we give ours you will "nope" all over us, that makes sense.

I repeat what I said in another way, tell me of a single song which is unaffected by instrument/singing mods in some form and is not an utility or a pure haste song.

There isn't one, or at least there shouldn't be. Except now we have this one that got "nerfed" based on 0 evidence, on a gut feeling that it was too powerful.

The only official modification this song ever got was not being able to cast on vendors in live, and that is in a timeline we will never ever reach.

Only a few status never get modified by song modificators, these are : haste, slow and mana regen. Considering most of bard songs are hybrids in that regard, the other parts always get modified somehow.

This song also gets stronger as you level up, like every other instrument modifiable part of every other song out there.

You still don't see the pattern?

[Kollins]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Typically songs without instrument modifiers require the instrument, and yet this one doesn't.
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Completely NOT TRUE! There were very few songs that REQUIRED an instrument. The only ones I recall were invis, mcvaxens overhaste songs and the cantanas. This song NEVER required an instrument and originally had different con results when used with and without one. Find proof that it ever REQUIRED an instrument before suggesting such!

See my post in http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ight=cinda%27s

[ezri]

I think this thread has gotten a little bit off topic.
We should ignore the fact that illusions add or subtract extra faction mechanics; because that's a separate mechanic - and whilst it can help or hinder the faction song - it is a separate item.

The initial evidence presented is that way back machine says that the Wind Instrument Modifier should be applied to this song. Unfortunately it seems that eqsongs.com has been removed from wayback machine because of robots.txt; and currently the site is shutdown.

Since the Song is also level based, it will also be adjusted based on your character level. Meaning that some quotes of "from indifferently will usually raise you to amiably" depends on what level character you're testing it with and makes the generalisation of "x instrument increases by y amount" a variable target.

The initial evidence presented is that the Wind Instrument SHOULD make a difference to the song. Currently on P99 it doesn't.

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JUNE 2000
EQLizer

APRIL 2001
EQSongs

[ezri]

please don't forget the bard love
/bump

[brecon]

Tl : DR:, wind instrument modifiers should apply to faction increases from Cinda's Charismatic Carillon

[xblade724]

Originally Posted by brecon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tl : DR:, wind instrument modifiers should apply to faction increases from Cinda's Charismatic Carillon

please don't forget the bard love

[Sadiki]

It's pretty much already been proven, but - this definitely used to be affected by instruments. Whenever I had to use it, I would test it without an instrument, and then with, to see if the instrument put me into the next faction level. It often did.