Paris attack thread

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it must be really convenient to live in your world. Muslisms = terrorists, mexicans = rapists, jews = controls the world..

You guys are fucking morons.

Not quite as convenient as a world where certain cultures aren't more conducive to certain behaviors, in empirically observable patterns, and we get to conveniently ignore the consequences of rapidly saturating a nation with a foreign culture with no regard for whether they are even going to assimilate and what the effects will be.

Keep rejecting objective facts when they disagree with your worldview, though.

Are all Muslims terrorists? No. Are Islamic cultures more conducive to religious extremism? Undeniable yes.

Shouldn't these facts affect policy decisions?

[bubur]

i'll level with u that there are some violent muslims, but you could just as easily and arbitrarily link this to poor per-capita lifestyle as you could religion

plus ur ignoring all of the non-religious violence that occurs in ur country. i know u said u dont care because drug-dealers, etc... but isnt that rejecting something that don't jive with ur world view?

[AzzarTheGod]

Large groups of Unmarked special forces/private contractors "deployed" to the Bataclan and surrounding streets. No confirmation on identities.

No uniforms, ear pieces on all of them, and plain clothing holding heavier spec ops military carbines.

They aren't speaking to the press, no word on if they are intelligence contractors or official military operatives and what purpose plain clothes operators serve during a state of emergency.

Tactical play perhaps, but when fighting military combatants the Convention says you are supposed to wear a uniform. Leaning towards contractors but I am not French so I can't speculate more.

Wielding FN P 90 carbines

Update: Presidental security, clearing for the Presidents immediate impending visit to the Bataclan and address to the nation.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by bubur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'll level with u that there are some violent muslims, but you could just as easily and arbitrarily link this to poor per-capita lifestyle as you could religion

plus ur ignoring all of the non-religious violence that occurs in ur country. i know u said u dont care because drug-dealers, etc... but isnt that rejecting something that don't jive with ur world view?

You can't easily and arbitrarily link this to poverty, because there are plenty of cultures that have had to deal with poverty, racism, war, etc and end up doing just fine. Chinese, Vietnamese, Hmong, Korean, Japanese diaspora worldwide are some examples. These are not racial differences, but cultural ones.

Rejecting a fact is different than rejecting an analysis. I acknowledge many people are killed by gun violence domestically. I reject that this somehow invalidates outrage toward terrorism. People like Jar outright reject the fundamental observable attributes of Islamic cultures and the ways they interface with their host nations.

[AzzarTheGod]

French President's address from the beginning of attack

Full translation: https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/sta...035393/photo/1

Bataclan address in 1 hr or less. should be live on TV.

[bubur]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't easily and arbitrarily link this to poverty, because there are plenty of cultures that have had to deal with poverty, racism, war, etc and end up doing just fine. Chinese, Vietnamese, Hmong, Korean, Japanese diaspora worldwide are some examples. These are not racial differences, but cultural ones.

Rejecting a fact is different than rejecting an analysis. I acknowledge many people are killed by gun violence domestically. I reject that this somehow invalidates outrage toward terrorism. People like Jar outright reject the fundamental observable attributes of Islamic cultures and the ways they interface with their host nations.

im not convinced u know anything bout these countries who are doing 'just fine' by u, nor anything about the fundamentals of Islamic cultures(sic - its plural and believe it or not there are differences) beyond extremist terrorists which, of course, are most readily 'observable' because normal well-adapted muslims dont go and talk about their normal lives

i like u, so lets be civil. just sayin these paragraphs dont hold any water. lot of words, whole lotta air

[Brontus]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the pledge of allegiance is jingoistic indoctrination. the national anthem is too.

im guessing youre not very smart, christian, and monolingual.

Someone who can't can't capitalize sentences and use proper punctuation has no business telling other people that they are "not very smart".

Sounds like you don't like America very much.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Brontus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone who can't can't capitalize sentences and use proper punctuation has no business telling other people that they are "not very smart".

Sounds like you don't like America very much.

nerve struck. youre not very smart.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by bubur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im not convinced u know anything bout these countries who are doing 'just fine' by u, nor anything about the fundamentals of Islamic cultures(sic - its plural and believe it or not there are differences) beyond extremist terrorists which, of course, are most readily 'observable' because normal well-adapted muslims dont go and talk about their normal lives

i like u, so lets be civil. just sayin these paragraphs dont hold any water. lot of words, whole lotta air

If you want to explore how 'normal, moderate Muslims' feel about these kinds of issues, you should consult the statistics I posted.

The fundamental issue here is whether you believe in cultural relativism or not. Does every set of behaviors and beliefs have just as much merit as any other? Are they all equally competent at running a stable state? Can radically different cultures coexist peacefully in a single state?

I think the answers to these questions are fairly clear. However, educating anything other than the cultural relativist dogma, even at the post-secondary level, is somehow thoughtcrime. It's ridiculous.

[iruinedyourday]

It's funny to me how Luna and the rest of the racists in off-topic are quicker conclude what caused this then a liberal single white female is to blame a cop for teen murder.