How to Trust a moderate Muslim?

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actual photo of jesus:

Wrong again... this is a "actual photo of jesus"...

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[Barkingturtle]

Like any good fantasy writing, religion is escapist at its core. It allows the believer to escape harsh reality, personal accountability, general sanity, etc.. This was sort of quaint for a couple thousand years but for fuck's sake -- it's 2015. Shed your fear and superstition already, for the good of mankind.

To address the OP, I'd say any religious conviction causes me to doubt a person's trustworthiness and credibility and, frankly, their intellect. It's essentially a contagious mental illness -- like hip-hop music or anime. It's certainly not exclusive to Muslims.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only laws adopted are those spelled out by Jesus Himself regarding the ten commandments and those laws handed down by the Apostles of Jesus.

Here, I updated your ever loving 10 commandments to actually try to come remotly close to what american christians actually believe.

You shall have no other gods before Me, except figures of state and reality celebrities.

You shall not make idols, unless idols are any of the above.

You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Actually no thats fine, dont worrya bout this one.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Or dont, who cares?

Honor your father and your mother, until you move out, then call them like once every 2 weeks.

You shall not murder, unless its a dirty, stinking muslim, or black person (becuse we know they were likely resisting). OR liberal, like if its a baby murdering doctor, u know.

You shall not commit adultery, unless you are a political figure, then have at it, boys AND girls are ok.

You shall not steal, unless it will affect the value of a stock or you already have a lot of money, if you can pay literatly nothing and indenture lower class populations to work for you, though that is technically stealing, is fine too.. basically steal EVERYTHING YOU CAN.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor unless he is one of those, dirty stinking muslims or black "resisters".. if you are reading this 30 years ago, also "commies" fall into this category, if you are confused about what a commie is, see socialist, but instead of trying to understand what a socialist is, just call it a communist and be done with it.

You shall not covet. Wait.. heh Stopped myself there, please covet EVERYTHING if not then your true idols and gods, also known as any republican candidiate, cant make a shit load of money stealing from everyone, while murdering everyone else.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here, I updated your ever loving 10 commandments to actually try to come remotly close to what american christians actually believe.

Why should any Christian allow you to speak for them? Would you like me to speak for you?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take the bait.

You claim "religion is escapist at its core" as if everyone understands what you mean with "escapist." What do YOU mean with "escapist"?

it means they want to leave this shit existance and play with their dead parents in the clouds forever without working.

you know whats going to be funny? watching you get as mad as I get defending the meek from you, defending your fucking fake bastardized version of a religion that was meant to PROTECT THE MEEK

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it means they want to leave this shit existance and play with their dead parents in the clouds forever without working.

you know whats going to be funny? watching you get as mad as I get defending hte meek from you, defending your fucking fake bastardized version of a religion that was meant to PROTECT THE MEEK

Sorry, but I don't speak iruinedyourday. You must use English if you desire to communicate. Are you up to the task?

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like any good fantasy writing, religion is escapist at its core. It allows the believer to escape harsh reality, personal accountability, general sanity, etc.. This was sort of quaint for a couple thousand years but for fuck's sake -- it's 2015. Shed your fear and superstition already, for the good of mankind.

I had asked for your definition of escapist in an earlier post which I deleted. However, I think you are somewhat clear with what you think "escapist" means in your above statement, so I have rewritten my comment. Is religion "escapist" as you define it? I suppose so in a certain respect. For instance, religion does allow its believers to "escape harsh reality." When the Jews were being systematically exterminated by the Nazis, I am certain that the faith of many of them gave them comfort as they entered into the gas chambers. Would you take that away from them?

I am also sure that as early Christians were fed to lions by the Romans that their faith in God gave them comfort against such a "harsh reality." Would you take that from them?

As Christians were getting their heads cut off by ISIS on the shores of North Africa, I am sure their faith gave them comfort. Would you take that away from them?

When a family suffering poverty in many of the ghettos found around the world pray to God for comfort in the time of their distress, I am sure that is a means to "escape." Would you take that away from them?

You see, you come across as a heartless ass when you think you are above the "escapism" all the poor souls below your level of intellect seek comfort in. Chances are that you are simply an arrogant hurting soul looking for answers just like the rest of us.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a Christian I take issue with your haphazard remark which doesn't resemble Christian theology at all since the time our first councils rejected the errors of Marcion way back in the second century AD. In case you don't know, Marcion and his followers rejected the Old Testament scriptures and taught that the "God" of the New Testament destroyed the God of the "Old Testament." Any way, you are simply mistaken.

The fact of the matter is that so-called "modern Christians" do NOT ignore most of the Old Testament. Rather, they understand that the Old Testament records civil laws, among many other things, that pertained to the ancient Israelite civilization and had never applied outside the borders of that nation. Even the Jews themselves see their civil laws bounded within the borders of their own nation. For instance, we don't read about the Jews of the Diaspora taking the civil laws of Jerusalem, lets say, to cities in ancient Persia where they were dispersed. Another example, Jews aren't recorded stoning people to death in any civilization outside their own homeland.

By the time of Christianity, most Christians see Jesus as being the fulfillment of the law of Moses. So Christians do not adopt the civil laws or the dietary laws of the Jews. The only laws adopted are those spelled out by Jesus Himself regarding the ten commandments and those laws handed down by the Apostles of Jesus.

So no. "Most modern Christians" do not "Choose to ignore most of the old testament" as you erroneously claim.

Oh, is that the reasoning they went with to try and wiggle out of Old Testament laws? "They don't apply to us because we aren't Jews of the Kingdom of Israel" The fact of the matter is, in early days of Christianity, most OT lifestyle laws were unpalatable to Europeans and were thrown out, and scholars came up with your favorable, convenient interpretation to fill the gap, in the same way that facilitated the Catholic acceptance of evolution.

I'm not attacking your faith, but I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that the OT accounts of everything about Adam and Eve / Exodus / Genesis haven't been made so watered down and preposterous by modern understanding and poor theology so as to be a complete joke. I think very little of what the OT once was remains in the core identity of Christianity, and every time they bend the scripture to adapt it to a new century it comes a little closer to breaking.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, but I don't speak iruinedyourday. You must use English if you desire to communicate. Are you up to the task?

ok you nit wit.

the meek are the week and destitute, they are who jesus came to protect. It is up tot he christian religion to help them above all else.

The poor and the destitute are the people I and other SJW's hope to protect that are always under attack here on this fucked up forum. They're also specifically what social programs in socialist leaning policies are designed to protect.

basically everything you do as a GOP voter has nothing to do with what you believe. You would rather someone blew smoke up your ass calling you a god christian for cleansing the land of infidels and liberal scum.

you're the worst kind of christian, one that worships jesus the way a pagan does a burning effigy.

you will burn in lakes of hellfire for all eternity.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chances are that you are simply an arrogant hurting soul looking for answers just like the rest of us.

I don't have a soul. Nobody does. This isn't Narnia or Middle Earth or Cybertron or whatever you fucking whacko. This is Earth.

Anyway, all those scenarios you listed, they're all riddled with false hope. For their sake, I'd rather those people quit praying and instead worked to escape those negative circumstances in a material way, a meaningful way. But if they want to sit around and tell stories to distract themselves from their situation, have at it. They should be honest with themselves, though, and accept that faith is merely masturbation, but done without any real chance of ever achieving orgasm. Now that's just crazy, imho.