Chardok PL and PnP

[Swish]

Are AE groups still charging for monk pipes? Always hated that.

[Trajor]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can exp in chardok with an AoE going on pretty easily.

The slave pits are a great place for a single group. Plenty to pull across the way and even the Betrayer is open to you there. Just pull the pather when it repops - as well as many static spawns as you can. Take them out of AoE synch and you'll have plenty enough to charm or exp. on.

It's been my experience, too, that the AoE-ers (the pullers, specifically) respect a group in Slaves. I've had no issue getting pipes or exp with the AoE going on.

(After an AoE pull, go thru the fort and the doors, and drop off the left side of the bridge. You'll land in the slaves room. From there, there are 2-3 mobs in a small tunnel that connects to a larger tunnel from which they pull. The betrayer paths in that larger tunnel, back and forth past the entrance of the smaller one (your tunnel)).

This is how my wife (monk) got her Chardok pipe. The only issue we had was the AoE group continued to pull the tunnel, but since we had them out of the AoE synch we got the betrayer when it spawned. The only hiccup is when we had a mob in the slave pit and it warped up on top of the bridge and proceeded to summon both me and the AoE puller (dead). Caused them 5 minutes of lost time and caused us an hour CR.

[Swish]

If they were giving it to you that's really sad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they were selling it to you for 5k or something, that's really funny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[ManuelThePopStar]

The only people defending Chardok AOEing are

1) The people making piles of plat doing it
2) The raiding guilds who use(d) that method to PL two dozen rogue and cleric accounts in the months before Velious released.

Chardok AEing artificially inflated the servers endgame population 100 fold; there's no denying that. I know people with 13 level 60 toons, only one of which they "legitimately" levelled. People with SEVERAL lvl 60s of the same class, paid for by their raiding guild, so they can have a rogue or monk parked in every possible raid zone at all times.

It's complete fucking nonsense

[nyclin]

the only people railing against chardok aoe are

1) not able to afford it
2) too stuck up to see the value in it

it's classic mechanics and the people who supposedly have "SEVERAL level 60s of the same class, paid for by their raiding guild" would likely have these alts anyway, obtained through other means

still not sure why there aren't any sebilis AOE groups on this server, step it up pls

[Juevento]

Alternatively, the only people who are for Chardok aoe are RMters.

[nyclin]

there's plenty of people who don't give a shit either way, they just aren't posting in the thread

[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only people railing against chardok aoe are

1) not able to afford it
2) too stuck up to see the value in it

it's classic mechanics and the people who supposedly have "SEVERAL level 60s of the same class, paid for by their raiding guild" would likely have these alts anyway, obtained through other means

still not sure why there aren't any sebilis AOE groups on this server, step it up pls

Why would I waste thousands of plat to sit, and not experience the game?

Why would anyone want to login to play...to only not play?

its not being stuck up, its understanding that playing a video game is more fun when you actually play it.

You say its classic; Ok. I see it as borderline exploiting. No different than boxing or RMT. Chardok was not meant to be ae swarmed anyway.

Its not my intention to ruin whatever people on this server want to pay for, I just don't want my experience ruined by a bunch of RMT jerks blatantly breaking the PnP policy on this server. I SHOULD be able to xp in Chardok without paying thousands to do it or come to some sort of accord with exploiters.

And, according to the GM who posted after my OP, I don't have to.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only people railing against chardok aoe are

1) not able to afford it
2) too stuck up to see the value in it

it's classic mechanics and the people who supposedly have "SEVERAL level 60s of the same class, paid for by their raiding guild" would likely have these alts anyway, obtained through other means

still not sure why there aren't any sebilis AOE groups on this server, step it up pls

Callin BS here. 2) in particular rankles; it is the explicit PoV of the high end raiding scene, and only them. Thanks for dismissing the rest of us, big fella. But 1) is a crock too. I'd say most people who start on p99 aren't starting just so they can make enough cash to powerlevel other toons. They're playing to play, because the game is enjoyable to them in a way it no longer is to those who express this viewpoint.

Whatever, as long as GMs/guides will support the PnP and side with people XPing in Chardok instead of proxy pulls that's fine with me. Hopefully, the revamp will make the whole proxy thing either greatly more difficult or impossible. (Just make one out of every ten mobs immune to stun. Problem solved. Not classic, I know.)

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Malbolshia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would I waste thousands of plat to sit, and not experience the game?

because that's how some people want to spend their plat? if you've got the plat and want to level up an alt quickly, why not save some effort? for 2k per pull you can go do chores, spend time with your familiy, talk to friends, etc. while progressing your character.

You say its classic; Ok. I see it as borderline exploiting. No different than boxing or RMT.

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I SHOULD be able to xp in Chardok without paying thousands to do it or come to some sort of accord with exploiters. And, according to the GM who posted after my OP, I don't have to.

yes you should, and you can