Ring war fail exploit

[Freakish]

Yeah you raid guilds should be ashamed. How dare you kill Dain that hasn't had a variance of 16 hours?

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah you raid guilds should be ashamed. How dare you kill Dain that hasn't had a variance of 16 hours?

Yeah, maybe you are right. Okay Devs, because this guy thinks it's better let's turn all raid mobs into instances. Please start passing out the raid mob tokens to spawn them at will.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only if you are attempting it with the intent to fail just to kill the Dain. Otherwise how is attempting the ring war, which has been completed, an exploit?

I'll do a ring war, but I'm not going to exploit. There is absolutely zero rationale that anyone can pose that will convince me there is a good reason to blatantly lead people into breaking server rules for pixels.

All it takes is a GM to say " we are okay with people spawning Dains and killing them. It is not going to be considered an exploit until we can fix it" and I'll be all over that. But not before.

[Fanguru]

So how is the ring war an exploit, exactly?

When Awakened triggers and wins a ring war, are they exploiting?
There is no Dain repop, it is working as intended.

When anyone fails a ring war, are they exploiting?
Of course it is an exploit if the goal is to make an 8th ring holder get a 9th.

What about a legit attempt like CSG could do? Are you considering the whole ring war an exploit just because you might lose and shorten Dain's intended repop?
You could get Dain's time of death, wait till its window opens next week and start your ring war. Then there is no extra pixel added to the server (besides, you'll probably win, I believe in you! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ).

About killing Dain himself after the failed ring war, is that the exploit? Leaving a raid mob up intentionally is definitely not classic, and I think all guilds killing Dain have a rule against their players triggering a repop without an attempt.
In any case, I do hope the GMs investigate individual players doing this shady stuff and ban them.

[Cheps]

The exploit is to trigger the war with no intent to win, i.e. not having a raid force ready, with the goal to spawn a Dain who should not spawn.

Whether you do this for ring 9 final hand in or to kill the Dain for loot is the same IMHO.

Now if someone not from your guild does it, is it an exploit to take advantage of it? That's something to discuss. Maybe Dain shouldn't be killed until his "real" window opens.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, maybe you are right. Okay Devs, because this guy thinks it's better let's turn all raid mobs into instances. Please start passing out the raid mob tokens to spawn them at will.

it's not even close to an "instance". everyone has the same ability to mobilize. if you are feeling so bad about potentially exploiting this then if you guys attempt/fail a ring war just don't go for the dain afterwards...

again awakened loses out on ring war loot when ring wars are failed. it's definitely someone just selling the ring MQs.

[Thiefboy777]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll do a ring war, but I'm not going to exploit. There is absolutely zero rationale that anyone can pose that will convince me there is a good reason to blatantly lead people into breaking server rules for pixels.

Attempting to complete quests now classified as breaking server rules. I have been a part of several ring war attempts and every single one was a solid try. The war is beatable, why would you not give it a shot if you have a 9th ring?

[Pan]

Plenty of discussion on this subject here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=220783

[Pint]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The day I'm told it's not an exploit is the day we do that. I can't lead my guild or an alliance down a road of exploitation just because we can or the rest of the people on the server are. It's against the rules. Period. Therefore there is no wiggle room.

This is a ridiculous stance to take in a video game, you're not hurting anyone and the only person judging you is yourself. Its just a game.

[Tankdan]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll do a ring war, but I'm not going to exploit. There is absolutely zero rationale that anyone can pose that will convince me there is a good reason to blatantly lead people into breaking server rules for pixels.

All it takes is a GM to say " we are okay with people spawning Dains and killing them. It is not going to be considered an exploit until we can fix it" and I'll be all over that. But not before.

Immersion levels over 9000