a few unofficial rules for ip exemption

[Rahnza]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP sounds reasonable, coherent, and argues his position logically and forcefully. Uthgaard can't come up with a good excuse to save his life. Judgment in favor of the accused.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Next time someone comes here with a half-told sob story that people buy into, they'll have a prime example of what kind of person is telling it.

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most martyrs die for what they believe in. Case in point:

JFK
Jesus
MLK Jr.

And usually, they are opposed by the masses (in this case a brigade of level 30 Druid forum trolls) even though they are fighting for righteousness.

What is right is not always popular, what is popular is not always right.

Originally Posted by rioisk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought I would start a thread after what I experienced today so that anybody playing with an IP exemption could know the unofficial rules governing GM decision-making on this server so that nobody unwitting falls into the same situation as we did today. I realize this will be met with ridicule but nonetheless I think it's important for people to know the scoop so the tragedy doesn't happen to any other groups of people.

The most amusing part of these rage threads is how they always try to preface it with some pretense that they're doing really doing it to champion some righteous fight against injustice. Because, y'know, they'd never do it just to bawwwww.

The biggest tragedy is that this detail was left out:

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[rioisk]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The most amusing part of these rage threads is how they always try to preface it with some pretense that they're doing really doing it to champion some righteous fight against injustice. Because, y'know, they'd never do it just to bawwwww.

The biggest tragedy is that this detail was left out:

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I don't feel I'm raging. Sure it's a messed up situation but I'm trying my best to present myself as clearly as possible. You are the one who seems to be raging with immediate character attacks/mockery.

Beside the point, your reply make me wonder if you lack trust or meaningful relationships in your life. Why do you assume I'm:

...they always try to preface it with some pretense that they're doing really doing it to champion some righteous fight against injustice.

Did you ever stop to think that may be I'm doing it because I realize after this experience that GMs here act like nazis with their decisions? May be if you knew our situation you'd know why I am intent on making sure people are aware of what goes on here. All I should say is, coming from knowing how much husband/wives, best friends, roommates, and so forth enjoy playing this game together, I think it's important for them to know so they don't accidentally arrive in similar situations and unknowingly face a ban.

My bro was unsure if he wanted to play in the first place, but after this event he laughed and asked me "Why would you want to be play on a server with GMs like that?". With all things considered, I can't help but agree.

So before you arrive at all sorts of assumption, perhaps you should take a breather and realize that not everybody here is out to lie, cheat, and steal, and genuinely just want to follow the rules and have a good time.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by rioisk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you ever stop to think that may be I'm doing it because I realize after this experience that GMs here act like nazis with their decisions? May be if you knew our situation you'd know why I am intent on making sure people are aware of what goes on here. All I should say is, coming from knowing how much husband/wives, best friends, roommates, and so forth enjoy playing this game together, I think it's important for them to know so they don't accidentally arrive in similar situations and unknowingly face a ban.

I should think the common sense that comes from:

"Multi-boxing is bannable here, therefore we should not appear to do anything that could be misconstrued as multi-boxing."

should be sufficient.

[Cyrius]

Originally Posted by rioisk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't feel I'm raging. Sure it's a messed up situation but I'm trying my best to present myself as clearly as possible. You are the one who seems to be raging with immediate character attacks/mockery.

Beside the point, your reply make me wonder if you lack trust or meaningful relationships in your life. Why do you assume I'm:

...they always try to preface it with some pretense that they're doing really doing it to champion some righteous fight against injustice.

Did you ever stop to think that may be I'm doing it because I realize after this experience that GMs here act like nazis with their decisions? May be if you knew our situation you'd know why I am intent on making sure people are aware of what goes on here. All I should say is, coming from knowing how much husband/wives, best friends, roommates, and so forth enjoy playing this game together, I think it's important for them to know so they don't accidentally arrive in similar situations and unknowingly face a ban.

My bro was unsure if he wanted to play in the first place, but after this event he laughed and asked me "Why would you want to be play on a server with GMs like that?". With all things considered, I can't help but agree.

So before you arrive at all sorts of assumption, perhaps you should take a breather and realize that not everybody here is out to lie, cheat, and steal, and genuinely just want to follow the rules and have a good time.

So you are suggesting we should belive everyone that says "my brother / mother / grandma / dog just went AFK, he brb!!"? Does that mean we should also belive those people that accuse others of two boxing? Why belive one if not the other? Quick! Let me ban half the server, since it has been accused by the other half to box!

Alot of the staff members put in the same amount or even more of their free time into developing or guiding on here, solving petitions, playing babysitter etc. then the hardcore raiders spend on raiding. We have our experiences, and we act accordingly. Give me ONE reason why i should belive you, that you did not actualy two box, but have a brother that just wants to leech exp of you? Do i know you? Are we friends since 20 years? Can i read your mind?

[rioisk2]

Originally Posted by Cyrius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are suggesting we should belive everyone that says "my brother / mother / grandma / dog just went AFK, he brb!!"? Does that mean we should also belive those people that accuse others of two boxing? Why belive one if not the other? Quick! Let me ban half the server, since it has been accused by the other half to box!

Alot of the staff members put in the same amount or even more of their free time into developing or guiding on here, solving petitions, playing babysitter etc. then the hardcore raiders spend on raiding. We have our experiences, and we act accordingly. Give me ONE reason why i should belive you, that you did not actualy two box, but have a brother that just wants to leech exp of you? Do i know you? Are we friends since 20 years? Can i read your mind?

You know Cyrius, you're right. When it all comes down to it, anybody can figure out a way to rig anything. You have no reason to trust me. There is no real objective way to prove anything. People should know this is what they face when they get an exemption though, aside from just being told "One person per client". That rule doesn't mean much. As in the situation described by the husband/wife and the child emergency. Why should people have to consider how they "appear to be". For crying out loud, they're told the rule and they think they follow it, but alas, they "appear" otherwise, so they may face problems. I know how much these people enjoy playing together so I think they should be told/made aware that they can never "appear" to be boxing - ie there are very specific restrictions on your playing experience. My situation, for example, is one of them.

This isn't some benevolent crusade out of my own self interest. As I have stated, my brother said he doesn't want to play anymore after what happened anyways, even though we could rig up an alternative method to be able to play together anyways. Can't help but agree with him about not playing at this point too.

[Teensy Weensy]

I'm glad you got banned. I was at that camp and saw you clearly two boxing. His "brother" was never there at all. He just had the guy sitting under the dock AFK for hours. The guy never moved.

[Yak]

The problem is that it's all about perception. I understand that the GM's have their hands full but there has to be some guidelines or a warning. However, this is part of being responsible as well. Technically they don't have to do anything. However, I feel that ti would be a curious thing to do. They need to define what they consider to be dual boxing. Let's say you are grouping with the wife and a family emergency comes up and one of you has to deal with you child. One goes AFK for 30 mins or whatever. Are you telling me that you would get fucking banned for that. This would not be common but possible. It would be very helpful if the GM's could spend a few minutes and make a sticky section on this and don't just strike the ban hammer with out looking into it. Hey, other then that I am just great full to have this server to play on. However, I am sick of rehashing this same topic over and over again. It seems to be one of those topics that won't die on these forums until something is done about it.

Another easy way to fix it would be to just offer IP exceptions to people who make donations, why not? Problem solved.

[Ihealyou]

Originally Posted by Yak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another easy way to fix it would be to just offer IP exceptions to people who make donations, why not? Problem solved.

Besides being a terrible idea, this is a great idea. How would this fix anything?

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Besides being a terrible idea, this is a great idea. How would this fix anything?

Why is it a terrible idea? The only reason they don't allow dual boxing is because it eats up bandwidth and bandwidth costs money. This is basic math and by donating would cover the cost for bandwidth. It would keep it simple and this issue would not be policed so much.