Sacha Baron Cohen: it’s permissible to have relations with a woman who is your slave

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am disinclined to cede my intellectual sovereignty to fanciful claims wrought of the ruinous ambitions of dead men.

thats beautiful

[AzzarTheGod]

im in the kitchen n its gonna take a dump on this thread

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im in the kitchen n its gonna take a dump on this thread

scream on em

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atheism where they reject the Day of Judgement entirely and adopt a meaningless life of unregulated hedonism.

Explain.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain.

Virtuous among men is he who prostrates himself before his own imagination.

Self Evident Truths 23:14

The stain of reason barks hoarsely from the pit of depravity.

Judicious Warnings 14:1

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah. Dad is agnostic / atheist / non religious. Mom believes in God but doesn't follow a religion. They let me choose. I grew up rejecting all religion because of the brainwashing stigma and how fake "church goers" were. Among other reasons, but I doubt you want my life story.

So basically you grew up as a leftist by your dad's guidance. But at some point you realized your love affair with the ideology of Islam much as the left has been delusionally promoting now for quite some time, and so got indoctrinated over a liberal website etc (this happening more often now). You still know nothing about other "religions" apart from what you learned from the secular atheistic school that long ago abandoned education for indoctrination of the left. It's not a stretch at all, it's becoming far more common.

[R Flair]

Why do you guys even entertain this clown. He comes here to lie and spread misinformation.

Part of spreading islam is lying to your adversaries that oppose you. It is a FACT that muhammad had both a child bride among many other wives, and sex slaves. This is well documented.

The only reason any muslim would say otherwise is for the acceptance needed for them to infiltrate your country and eventually take over with sharia. Its a trick, don't be duped.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Faith does not lay upon the path of Reason, though one may take one of the many paths departing reason to arrive at that destination.

Why do you insist the alternative to the embrace of an abrahamic (or other) religion can only be the affirmed belief in a chaotic origin to the universe? There are countless possibilities, we just have no way of knowing and I am disinclined to cede my intellectual sovereignty to fanciful claims wrought of the ruinous ambitions of dead men.

I used to reject faith entirely until I realized that's impossible unless you deny all knowledge. For instance, every scientific "fact" that you accept without testing yourself requires faith in whatever source you learned it from. Among many other examples.

There are only two possible categories for what "made" the universe, something with a mind or something without, something with a will or something without, something with awareness or without, with knowledge or without, deliberate or non-deliberate, with reason or without reason, guided or random, God or chaos. Since you disagree, then offer ANYTHING that doesn't fit one of those two categories because even partial awareness is still awareness, there is no middle or alternative between God or chance. Otherwise, please present it.

And my acceptance of God isn't based on that alone, there's other arguments like logic in nature and consistency which also demonstrate deliberate design as opposed to non-deliberate (random, chaos, unaware, ignorant, blind, etc).

Your grandiloquent sentence is inaccurate because the Qur'an encourages us to think (16:11), not deny our intellect, and the Qur'an emphasizes God, not Muhammad, who is mentioned less than times than other prophets like Isa, the Messiah, son of Mary. May the peace and blessings of God be upon them.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
16:11 He brings forth with it the vegetation and the olives and the palm trees and the grapes, and of all the fruits; in that are signs for a people who think.

17:79 From the night you shall reflect upon it additionally for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.

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And to R Flair. You're a liar and a hypocrite. I'm speaking what I know to be true and if I wasn't then i'd be responsible for that sin, just like you are for the lies you're spreading.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
33:70 O you who believe, be aware of God and speak only the truth.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So basically you grew up as a leftist by your dad's guidance. But at some point you realized your love affair with the ideology of Islam much as the left has been delusionally promoting now for quite some time, and so got indoctrinated over a liberal website etc (this happening more often now). You still know nothing about other "religions" apart from what you learned from the secular atheistic school that long ago abandoned education for indoctrination of the left. It's not a stretch at all, it's becoming far more common.

Actually it was after reading the Quran: A Reformist Translation. And there was no secular school, I went to a normal high school. But you're replies are filled with pettiness, assumptions, and immaturity, not to mention you're stupid. So I don't have much more reason to reply to you after this.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used to reject faith entirely until I realized that's impossible unless you deny all knowledge. For instance, every scientific "fact" that you accept without testing yourself requires faith in whatever source you learned it from. Among many other examples.

Ah, but is it the same? I had a similar revelation with regard to skepticism. In the end, there is nothing of which one can be certain. However, because one cannot be certain of a thing, does not mean he cannot reasonably confident of it if he accepts the basic premise that reality is.

While the word faith may be employed to describe this sort of reasonable confidence with which one might regard fact, it's meaning is very different when used in reference to God. That is a concept Christians regularly struggle with. Faith in God is belief without reason. It is a far deeper trust than that required to accept claims to the nature of an observable reality. If I so wished, I could test the validity of the claim myself. That is not possible with God.

For any world religion, I must have faith not only in God, but in those to who experienced pertinent revelations, those who record said revelations and those who kept, transcribed and translated them. That aside, Christianity and Islam demand that individuals accept their patron prophet, lest they suffer eternal damnation. Given the number of people who lived prior to the birth of those faiths and those who have lived since with no knowledge of them, it is unjust. Additionally, it is not a merciful being who would create a thing with certain inclinations and demand the opposite of it. If either the god of the Bible or the Quran is real, then it is a very dismal reality indeed. So, I choose not to believe in such a malevolent being.

There are other reasons of course, but in general I just find it improbable that any world religion might be accurate.

There are only two possible categories for what "made" the universe, something with a mind or something without, something with a will or something without, something with awareness or without, with knowledge or without, deliberate or non-deliberate, with reason or without reason, guided or random, God or chaos. Since you disagree, then offer ANYTHING that doesn't fit one of those two categories because even partial awareness is still awareness, there is no middle or alternative between God or chance. Otherwise, please present it.

Well if you choose to frame the discussion that way, sure ^^ but I do not see all those things as analogous. The simple fact of the matter is that I don't know and I am content not knowing. I do not particular relish the idea of a finite existence and I suppose some part of me hopes for more, but that does not lead me to seek that which I cannot find.

And my acceptance of God isn't based on that alone, there's other arguments like logic in nature and consistency which also demonstrate deliberate design as opposed to non-deliberate (random, chaos, unaware, ignorant, blind, etc).

Absent a belief in God, nature is truly miraculous most especially if the product of random chance, but still so much moreso than the creation of an omnipotent being even if only as an enduring machine. An omnipotent creator culls all wonder and majesty from the natural world, because if omnipotent, why not create more? Why this? Why anything at all?

Your grandiloquent sentence is inaccurate because the Qur'an encourages us to think (16:11), not deny our intellect, and the Qur'an emphasizes God, not Muhammad, who is mentioned less than times than other prophets like Isa, the Messiah, son of Mary. May the peace and blessings of God be upon them.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
16:11 He brings forth with it the vegetation and the olives and the palm trees and the grapes, and of all the fruits; in that are signs for a people who think.

17:79 From the night you shall reflect upon it additionally for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.

A document that demands you submit, encourages you to think?

Forgive me if I've offended you. You must understand though that your professed view of the faith you have adopted differs markedly from those who have practiced it for hundreds of years. Faith does fill an important role for many people though and I'd not seek to take it from anyone save those who seek to foist it upon others. I simply lack it myself ^^