Fighting dragons at ToV zonein

[vincenzo]

These people are far too lazy to do something like fight a dragon somewhere other than zone-in. It would be cool if we played on a server where these elitist douche bags wouldnt mind doing something that could be construed as courteous to the rest of the server but alas, this is p99 where raiders are assholes and devs enable their behavior.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I have zoned into ToV and died multiple times when my guild wasn't raiding there, back when I was in a guild. Besides, this argument falls flat because you're basically saying that anyone who ever wants to enter ToV should have to figure out who, if anyone, is in there and sling tells until you figure out whether or not there is currently a dragon being slain at the god damned entrance.



Maybe immediately after a repop when the windows are still stacked. But even if we're being generous and granting that they idiotically slaughtered all 27 or whatever dragons in the course of 4 hours, that's still an entire day out of the week that you may or may not zone into ToV and hope you scramble to a safe spot before a dragon's AoE kills you. Better hope you didn't accidentally get aggro in WW and zone in with low health.

If we're being uncharitable and assume there hasn't been a repop in several months or more, windows are going to be spread out and could more or less cover all seven days of the week.

when the windows are spread out of 7 days there is even less of a chance actually. Not saying you have to sling tells but doing a couple /who alls can easily save you a death if you are so under-geared that you fall over to a dragon ae before you can zone. Seems like its in your best interest to ask instead of just assume anywhere is safe. There is a reason why you are told not to bind in dungeons on this server. The smart people assume there is a train somewhere every time they zone into a dungeon

[Kodim]

Ya'll nerds acting like there's trains and dragon aoes killing the entire server in ToV.

Stop complaining about a very minor issue.

[trite]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This shit was banhammer worthy on live. Why is it allowed to happen here?

Come on guys. Staff, can we get a comment? This needs to be against the rules.

Live didn't have variance...c'mon man don't embarrass yourself

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when the windows are spread out of 7 days there is even less of a chance actually.

It would be an equal chance, actually. Stacked windows would just make it easier because you'd know which days of the week are safe.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like its in your best interest to ask instead of just assume anywhere is safe.

Seems like you shouldn't have to ask to make sure that the one room in which no mobs spawn - what used to be called the "safe area" - is safe.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not saying you have to sling tells but doing a couple /who alls can easily save you a death if you are so under-geared that you fall over to a dragon ae before you can zone.

It is not unreasonable to assume ToV entrance should be safe. Luckily for me, I could probably withstand any ToV dragon's AoEs without any heals, unlike most warm body Awakened/Aftermath scrubs, but I'm not always playing my characters. Sometimes you're on a low level anchor, sometimes you're on a low level ranger, etc.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The smart people assume there is a train somewhere every time they zone into a dungeon

Smart people also correctly assume that even if it was possible, it absolutely would not be acceptable to pull Trakanon to Sebilis' entrance and kill him there.

[lurk]

Ok i have no problem with pulling to zone in but there is a broken mechanism that makes it non classic.

Call of the zero, which many of the dragons use is supposed to summon you even if the mob is undamaged.

/thread_over

[Sallan]

Originally Posted by lurk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok i have no problem with pulling to zone in but there is a broken mechanism that makes it non classic.

Call of the zero, which many of the dragons use is supposed to summon you even if the mob is undamaged.

/thread_over

That was something verant introduced a little later but you are right. Same goes with rooted dragons

[lurk]

I know rooted dragons came later. I was just basing that post off the fact that the wiki lists it on a couple dragons

[Sallan]

These changes may be due a little later but will considerably change the situation there (for the better I'd say but some might argue otherwise as they are happy with the minimal farm time the current situation presents for them aka zone in pull)

[Briscoe]

Let's assume 25 targets that are killed in ToV per week, with each encounter taking 10 minutes. That is 250 minutes of ToV dragon killing, out of 10,080 minutes in a given week. So on a given zone-in, you have a 2.5% chance of zoning into an active encounter. That's actually a conservative estimate because not every encounter takes 10 minutes, and not every encounter happens at the zone-in, anyway (several are pulled to LTK). Thus, something approaching 1% is more accurate.

And I would disagree with your assertion that stacked up spawn windows makes no difference. My 1% estimate of zoning into an active encounter assumes a uniform probability distribution both for the spawn windows as well as your play time. Do you play this game at all hours? Do you zone in to ToV at 5AM as frequently as you zone in at 9PM? Probably not. That means that under the current ToV window situation, with everything in window on Mondays, you're going to have no chance of zoning into some of these dragons being killed because they will be killed while you're not home. So that fact is going to take our 1% number down significantly.

So you're upset over something that happens approximately 1% of the time. Even if you DO zone in during an active encounter, you really shouldn't die. Find someplace safe and hide, like half of the force killing the dragon is doing (e.g. the clerics).

You also keep trying to bolster your argument by adding in hypotheticals or things you just shouldn't be doing anyway, such as zoning in with low HP, or zoning in and then going AFK. How many times do you zone in to ToV at anything substantially less than full health? And why would you ever go AFK anywhere in ToV? You're just asking for trouble if you do that.