How OP is ench?

[Canelek]

Originally Posted by Dulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stopped focusing on CHA, and went for +HP/AC and +Mana, and found myself charming/mezzing the same, but slightly tankier when mobs would break.


Without hard evidence to back it up, I don't think CHA even works in PVE. (It works for vendoring items)

Interesting. I am curious if anyone has done extensive testing. Again, my experience is entirely subjective and my level is rather low @ 45.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Dulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stopped focusing on CHA, and went for +HP/AC and +Mana, and found myself charming/mezzing the same, but slightly tankier when mobs would break.


Without hard evidence to back it up, I don't think CHA even works in PVE. (It works for vendoring items)

Testing was already done back in Kunark by Save, Loraen and Tecmos. CHA does have a significant effect on charm times. They already posted their data in the past. If you're interested I suggest you go find it.

[Dulu]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Testing was already done back in Kunark by Save, Loraen and Tecmos. CHA does have a significant effect on charm times. They already posted their data in the past. If you're interested I suggest you go find it.

Significant is a subjective term.

Are we talking 5%? 7%?

Show your math, because playing p99 right now with NO CHARISMA bonus, seems exactly the same as playing with Charisma bonus.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Dulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Significant is a subjective term.

Are we talking 5%? 7%?

Show your math, because playing p99 right now with NO CHARISMA bonus, seems exactly the same as playing with Charisma bonus.

It's not my math. The data was thrown up here somewhere. And i said, I don't really care. I'm not your researcher. Go find the data they posted if you're interested. And by significant, it was enough data and an increase in power that all of them decided to go CHA and not HP as a primary stat.

[Dulu]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not my math. The data was thrown up here somewhere. And i said, I don't really care. I'm not your researcher. Go find the data they posted if you're interested. And by significant, it was enough data and an increase in power that all of them decided to go CHA and not HP as a primary stat.

Why are you posting in the thread exactly then?

Because I've done the research, and to me - it makes practically no difference.

85 vs 200ish makes essentially no difference at all in my gameplay.


Bring two sets of gear next time you enchanters are out playing. Swap them. See if you notice any difference.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Dulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you posting in the thread exactly then?

Because I've done the research, and to me - it makes practically no difference.

85 vs 200ish makes essentially no difference at all in my gameplay.


Bring two sets of gear next time you enchanters are out playing. Swap them. See if you notice any difference.

I'm posting to enlighten people, and not have them be misinformed by you. Also, I have tested it myself (without producing any data). I tested it after reading their data several years ago. I came to the same conclusion they did. There was still variance, but the amount of time charm lasted was a lot better on average than without the charisma.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Dulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you posting in the thread exactly then?

Because I've done the research, and to me - it makes practically no difference.

85 vs 200ish makes essentially no difference at all in my gameplay.


Bring two sets of gear next time you enchanters are out playing. Swap them. See if you notice any difference.

Also, I recommend using max CHA for lull purposes.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Dulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you posting in the thread exactly then?

Because I've done the research, and to me - it makes practically no difference.

85 vs 200ish makes essentially no difference at all in my gameplay.


Bring two sets of gear next time you enchanters are out playing. Swap them. See if you notice any difference.

Here's a small portion of the data... you can find the rest. They posted a lot more data out there. This is just to prove my point.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=92423

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Dulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you posting in the thread exactly then?

Because I've done the research, and to me - it makes practically no difference.

85 vs 200ish makes essentially no difference at all in my gameplay.


Bring two sets of gear next time you enchanters are out playing. Swap them. See if you notice any difference.

I'd pay to watch you farm something like SG with 85 CHA.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Triiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd pay to watch you farm something like SG with 85 CHA.

Me too. Anyway, I would just ignore anything that guy has to say. He's a red player.